
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">'be considered to cleaned up’<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">i meant OR, not to. But I note that armax’s patch already clarified this, so I’ll go back to my jetlag stupor. :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">doug</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Doug Wiegley <<a href="mailto:dougwig@parksidesoftware.com" class="">dougwig@parksidesoftware.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">As an alternative, to be considered to cleaned up, note that octavia, also a neutron stadium project, puts its specs in its own repo, runs its own doc jobs, etc. Pros and cons, but just pointing out that its out there.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">doug<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:47 AM, Kyle Mestery <<a href="mailto:mestery@mestery.com" class="">mestery@mestery.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Armando M.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:armamig@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">armamig@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 21 October 2015 at 10:29, Kyle Mestery<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mestery@mestery.com" target="_blank" class="">mestery@mestery.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Armando M.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:armamig@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">armamig@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 21 October 2015 at 09:53, Kyle Mestery<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mestery@mestery.com" target="_blank" class="">mestery@mestery.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Armando M.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:armamig@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">armamig@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 21 October 2015 at 04:12, Gal Sagie<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:gal.sagie@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">gal.sagie@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Do we also want to consider Project Kuryr part of this?<br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">No, why would we?</div><span class=""><div class=""> </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div class="">The reason to consider it is because Kuryr is a sub-project of Neutron, and they are doing their spec submissions following the Neutron guidelines. Adding the kuryr-core gerrit group to be on part with the *aas repos makes sense here. If other sub-projects (like L2FW, SFC, etc.) start doing spec reviews in the neutron-specs repository, then adding them makes sense too.<br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">I don't believe this is the road we set ourselves on when we started the decomp/stadium. We wanted a clear separation of concerns and I don't see how going down this path is going to help us achieve that.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't see the grounds to have such an abrupt change in direction right now, especially for the level of work that that would imply and the pressure that would put on the drivers team. Anyone is free to review and contribute where it matters for them, and location should not prevent them from doing so.</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""> </div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div class="">I was merely implying that since these projects are part of neutron, and they have specs, keeping them in one place makes sense. And by doing that, we'd need to give them +2 powers for their core reviewers. But, I'm fine with leaving things the way they are and having them put their specs in their devref. But we should update the devref in Neutron to reflect this, e.g. that we don't expect specs in neutron-specs for things outside [neutron, neutron-fwaas, neutron-lbaas, neutron-vpnaas].<br class=""> <br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">IMO, it's pretty clear from here [1], which I revised in the context of [2]. Not sure if there's anything else that's left to misunderstanding.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think this [1] helps to make it 100% clearer, at least to me.<br class=""><br class="">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://review.openstack.org/238190" class="">https://review.openstack.org/238190</a><br class=""> <br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""></div><div class="">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#neutron-specs-core-reviewer-team" target="_blank" class="">http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#neutron-specs-core-reviewer-team</a><br class=""></div><div class="">[2] <a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/" target="_blank" class="">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/</a></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""></div><span class=""><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""></div>We already started sending Kuryr spec to the Neutron repository and I think it would make sense to manage it<br class=""></div>as part of Neutron spec process.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">No, unless what you are asking are changes to the core. Do you have a reference for me to look at?</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""> </div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div class="">See above, perhaps I answered this for you.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""> <br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any opinions on that?<br class=""><br class=""></div>Gal.<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class="">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Armando M.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:armamig@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">armamig@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi folks,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">During revision of the Neutron teams [1], we made clear that the neutron-specs repo is to be targeted by specs for all the Neutron projects (core + *-aas).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For this reason I made sure that the neutron-specs-core team +2 right was extended to all the core teams.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Be mindful, use your +2 rights with care: if you are core on a *-aas project, you should exercise that vote only for specs that pertain the project you're core of.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I could use this email as a reminder also of the core hierarchy and lieutenant system we switched to in Liberty ([3]): if you have been made core by a lieutenant of a sub-system, please use your +2/+A only within your area of comfort and reach out for help if in doubt. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Reviews are always welcome though!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Armando</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] <a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/" target="_blank" class="">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/</a></div><div class="">[2] <a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/314,members" target="_blank" class="">https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/314,members</a></div><div class="">[3] <a href="http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#core-review-hierarchy" target="_blank" class="">http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#core-review-hierarchy</a></div></div><br class=""></div></div>__________________________________________________________________________<br class="">OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br class="">Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div class="">Best Regards ,<br class=""><br class="">The G.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></font></span></div><br class="">__________________________________________________________________________<br class="">OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br class="">Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">OpenS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