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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">The "Glance: Artefacts API" session was scheduled right on top of the "Nova: Cross Service Issues: Service Lock Server, Service Tokens, Instance Users (TBC)"<span class="event event-loggedin ev_31 sub">
session</span>. The latter having been really hard to schedule since it involves so many different projects and something I must attend. So I won't be able to attend the glance session.
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The Murano folks have kindly offered to use one of their sessions:<br>
Murano contributors meetup (9:00am-12:30pm)<br>
<a href="http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/5e244fb7f342854dc5c112e76e77c930#.VipbDpQuHGc" target="_blank">http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/5e244fb7f342854dc5c112e76e77c930</a><br>
to discuss Glance Artefacts/Murano integration/Community App Catalog needs.<br>
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Can folks from the glance team that are interested in the discussion please attend?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Kevin<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF750225"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Alexander Tivelkov [ativelkov@mirantis.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [openstack-dev] [app-catalog] [glance] [murano] Data Assets API for App Catalog<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">I’ve noticed that the Community Application Catalog has begun to implement its own API, and it seems to me that we are going to have some significant duplication of efforts with the code which has already been implemented in Glance
as Artifact Repository initiative (also known as Glance V3).</div>
<div class="gmail_default">From the very beginning of the App Catalog project (and I’ve been involved in it since February) I’ve been proposing to use Glance as its backend, because from my point of view it covers like 90% of the needed functionality. But it
looks like we have some kind of miscommunication here, as I am getting some confusing questions and assumptions, like the vision of Glance V3 being dedicated backend for Murano (which is definitely incorrect).</div>
<div class="gmail_default">So, I am writing the email to clarify my vision of what Glance V3 is and how its features may be used to provide the REST API for Community App Catalog.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">1. Versioned schema</div>
<div class="gmail_default">First of all, Glance V3 operates on entities called “artifacts”, and these ones perfectly map to the Data Assets of community app catalog. The artifacts are strongly typed: there are artifact types for murano packages, glance images,
heat templates - and there may be (and will be) more. Each artifact type is represented by a plugin, defining the schema of objects’ data and metadata and - optionally - custom logic. So, this thing is extensible: when a new type of asset needs to be added
to a catalog it can be done really quickly by just defining the schema and putting that schema into a plugin. Also, these plugins are versioned, so the possible changes in the schema are handled properly. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">2. Generic properties</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Next, all the artifact types in Glance V3 have some generic metadata properties (i.e. part of the schema which is common for all the types), including the name, the version, description, authorship information and so on. This also
corresponds to the data schema of community app catalog. The mapping is not 1:1, but we can work together on this to make sure that these generic properties match the expectations of the catalog.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">3. Versioning</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Versions are very important for catalogs of objects, so Glance V3 was initially designed keeping versioning questions in mind: each artifact has a semver-based version assigned, so the artifacts having the same name but different
versions are grouped into the proper sequences. API is able to query artifacts based on their version spec, e.g. it is possible to fetch the latest artifact with the name “foo” having the version greater than 2.1 and less than 3.5.7 - or any other version
spec, similar to pip or any other similar tool. As far as I know, community app catalog does not have such capabilities right now - and I strongly believe that it is really a must have feature for a catalog to be successful. At least it is absolutely mandatory
for Murano packages, which are the only “real apps” among the asset types right now.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">4. Cross artifact dependencies</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Glance V3 also has the dependency relations from the very beginning, so they may be defined as part of artifact type schema. As a result, an artifact may “reference” any number of other artifacts with various semantic. For example,
murano package may define a set of references to other murano packages and call it “requires” - and this will act similar to the requirements of a python package. Similar properties may be defined for heat templates and glance images - they may reference each
other with various semantics.</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Of course, the definitions of such dependencies may be done internally inside the packages, so they may be resolved locally by the service which is going to use it, but letting the catalog know about them will allow us to do the import-export
operations for any given artifacts and its dependencies automatically, only by the means of the catalog itself. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">5. Search and filtering API</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Right now Glance V3 API is in experimental state (we plan to stabilize it during the Mitaka cycle), but it already provides quite good capabilities to discover things. It can search artifacts by their type, name and (optionally) aforementioned
version specs, by tag or even by arbitrary set of metadata properties. We have plans to integrate Glance V3 with the Searchlight project to have even more index and search capabilities using its elastic search engine.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">6. Data storage</div>
<div class="gmail_default">As you probably know, Glance does not own the binary data of its images. Instead, it provides an abstraction of the backend storage, which may be swift, ceph, s3 or something else. The same approach is used in Glance V3 for artifacts
data, but with more per-type control: particular artifact types may be configured independently to store their blobs in different backends. This may be of use for Community App Catalog which operates on different storages for its assets. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">7. Sharing and access control. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">Glance V3 inherits the same access mechanics present in Glance V2: an artifact may be visible to its owner tenant only, be public (i.e. visible to all the tenants) or directly shared by the owner to a specific tenant. Also, Glance
can act in the anonymous mode (i.e. without an access token), thus providing access to public artifacts even to unauthenticated users. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">This can be easily applied to a public web service, such as community app catalog: regular unauthenticated users use anonymous mode to access only the public assets (this is the current behavior of apps.o.o), while registered users
will have their own private spaces (“tenants”) with various access restrictions.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">8. The federation. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">The ultimate goal for Glance Artifact Repository is ability to build trees of artifact repos in different clouds. The top node of that tree is some Global Application Catalog (and the
<a href="http://apps.openstack.org" target="_blank">apps.openstack.org</a> may be this global catalog - if it is glance-based or at least supports glance v3 federation), then there are repositories of particular openstack vendors or distributors, then - the
catalogs of enterprises operating different openstack clouds. The particular glance deployments in that clouds are the leafs of that tree, being able to search for data assets in all the upstream repositories, download them from there or - if permitted - submit
their local assets back upstream. This will be the ultimate network for application delivery and exchange in openstack world - and this is one of the main reasons we’ve began the Artifacts initiative in Glance. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">Unlike other aforementioned features this one is not implemented yet, but we are planning to add it as soon as we are done with API stabilization goal.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">There are many other features which are present in V3’s roadmap and may be useful for the app catalog, such as ability to sign artifacts with their developers’ keys and verify that keys on usage to ensure the authenticity of the artifact.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">What we don’t have right now is the ability to associate ratings (“stars”) and comments to the artifact, as well as aggregating different usage and download statistics: such features are really needed only for the public website such
as apps.o.o but are not required for Glance’s in particular clouds. But we may find some way to solve this, either by wrapping glance API with additional middleware which would add appropriate info from a different data source, or by having custom plugins
which are able to do that, or in some other way: I am sure we may find a solution for this.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">So, this was just a brief description of what Glance v3 has to offer as a backend for App Catalog API. </div>
<div class="gmail_default">It also worths to mention that this API is in “EXPERIMENTAL” state right now, which means that it is not fixed and we may modify it significantly if there is a need to. So we may work closer together to adopt it for the needs of Community
App Catalog.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">I would really prefer to not create any overlaps between Glance v3 and the community app catalog: if the app catalog builds its own incompatible implementation of assets discovery and distribution API then we’ll have a huge duplication
of efforts for developers and lots of confusion to the end-users who will get two entirely different ways to do the same task.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">So, I’d propose to discuss these potential overlaps, look at the features need by App Catalog and see how Glance V3 may be of use here. I’ll be more than happy to help with that. We can dive deeper into the details here in the mailing
list or meet in person in Tokyo. I'll try to have a demonstratable prototype by that time.</div>
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