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Please note that you jumped there from developer-focus to user-focus. Of course some users are also developers, and vice versa, but I would expect doc focussed on development to be quite different from that focussed on use.</div>
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For development doc, I think the Neutron devref is a great example, so you might want to be inspired by that. </div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Adrian Otto</div>
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<div class="">I agree with the concept of a simple quickstart doc, but there also needs to be a comprehensive user guide, which does not yet exist. In the absence of the user guide, the quick start is the void where this stuff is starting to land. We simply
need to put together a magnum reference document, and start moving content into that.</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 8, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <<a href="mailto:stdake@cisco.com" class="">stdake@cisco.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Quickstart guide should be dead dead dead dead simple. The goal of the quickstart guide isn’t to tach people best practices around Magnum. It is to get a developer operational to give them that sense of feeling that Magnum can be worked on. The goal of any
quickstart guide should be to encourage the thinking that a person involving themselves with the project the quickstart guide represents is a good use of the person’s limited time on the planet.</div>
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<span class="" style="font-weight:bold">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 9:00 AM<br class="">
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<span class="" style="font-weight:bold">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>[openstack-dev] [magnum] Document adding --memory option to create containers<br class="">
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi team,</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I want to move the discussion in the review below to here, so that we can get more feedback</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">In summary, magnum currently added support for specifying the memory size of containers. The specification of the memory size is optional, and the COE won’t reserve any memory to the containers with unspecified memory
size. The debate is whether we should document this optional parameter in the quickstart guide. Below is the positions of both sides:</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Pros:</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="">·<span class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">It
is a good practice to always specifying the memory size, because containers with unspecified memory size won’t have QoS guarantee.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="">·<span class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The
in-development autoscaling feature [1] will query the memory size of each container to estimate the residual capacity and triggers scaling accordingly. Containers with unspecified memory size will be treated as taking 0 memory, which negatively affects the
scaling decision.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cons:</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="">·<span class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The
quickstart guide should be kept as simple as possible, so it is not a good idea to have the optional parameter in the guide.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thoughts?</span></div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/autoscale-bay" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline" target="_BLANK">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/autoscale-bay</a></span></div>
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