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<div>Echo with Monty:<br></div><div><br></div><div>> <span style="line-height: 1.31;">I believe that the real win is if Magnum's control plan can integrate the network and storage fabrics > that exist in an OpenStack with kube/mesos/swarm. </span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.31;"><br></span></div><div>We are working on the Cinder (ceph), Neutron, Keystone integration in HyperStack [1] and love to contribute. Another TODO is the multi-tenancy support in k8s/swarm/mesos. A global scheduler/orchestrator for all tenants yields higher utilization rate than separate schedulers for each.</div><div><br></div><div>[1] https://launchpad.net/hyperstack</div><div><br></div><div class="mixmax_signature"><div style="font-size:13px; line-height: 1.25;"><div style="font-size: 14px; max-width: 590px;" class="p">-----------------------------------------------------</div><div style="font-size: 14px; max-width: 590px;" class="p">Hyper - Make VM run like Container</div><div style="font-size: 14px; max-width: 590px;" class="p"><br></div></div></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2" color="#222222" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Monty Taylor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mordred@inaugust.com" target="_blank">mordred@inaugust.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">*waving hands wildly at details* ...<br>
<br>
I believe that the real win is if Magnum's control plan can integrate the network and storage fabrics that exist in an OpenStack with kube/mesos/swarm. Just deploying is VERY meh. I do not care - it's not interesting ... an ansible playbook can do that in 5 minutes. OTOH - deploying some kube into a cloud in such a way that it shares a tenant network with some VMs that are there - that's good stuff and I think actually provides significant value.<span class=""><br>
<br>
On 09/29/2015 10:57 PM, Jay Lau wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
+1 to Egor, I think that the final goal of Magnum is container as a<br>
service but not coe deployment as a service. ;-)<br>
<br>
Especially we are also working on Magnum UI, the Magnum UI should export<br>
some interfaces to enable end user can create container applications but<br>
not only coe deployment.<br>
<br>
I hope that the Magnum can be treated as another “Nova” which is<br>
focusing on container service. I know it is difficult to unify all of<br>
the concepts in different coe (k8s has pod, service, rc, swarm only has<br>
container, nova only has VM, PM with different hypervisors), but this<br>
deserve some deep dive and thinking to see how can move forward.....<br>
<br>
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<br>
definitely ;), but the are some thoughts to Tom’s email.<br>
<br>
I agree that we shouldn't reinvent apis, but I don’t think Magnum<br>
should only focus at deployment (I feel we will become another<br>
Puppet/Chef/Ansible module if we do it ):)<br>
I belive our goal should be seamlessly integrate Kub/Mesos/Swarm to<br>
OpenStack ecosystem (Neutron/Cinder/Barbican/etc) even if we need to<br>
step in to Kub/Mesos/Swarm communities for that.<br>
<br>
—<br>
Egor<br>
<br>
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This is definitely a topic we should cover in Tokyo.<br>
<br>
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+1<br>
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum]swarm + compose = k8s?<br>
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This has been my thinking in the last couple of months to completely<br>
deprecate the COE specific APIs such as pod/service/rc and container.<br>
<br>
As we now support Mesos, Kubernetes and Docker Swarm its going to be<br>
very difficult and probably a wasted effort trying to consolidate<br>
their separate APIs under a single Magnum API.<br>
<br>
I'm starting to see Magnum as COEDaaS - Container Orchestration<br>
Engine Deployment as a Service.<br>
<br>
On 29/09/15 06:30, Ton Ngo wrote:<br>
Would it make sense to ask the opposite of Wanghua's question:<br>
should pod/service/rc be deprecated if the user can easily get to<br>
the k8s api?<br>
Even if we want to orchestrate these in a Heat template, the<br>
corresponding heat resources can just interface with k8s instead of<br>
Magnum.<br>
Ton Ngo,<br>
<br>
<ATT00001.gif>Egor Guz ---09/28/2015 10:20:02 PM---Also I belive<br>
docker compose is just command line tool which doesn’t have any api<br>
or scheduling feat<br>
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum]swarm + compose = k8s?<br>
______________________________<wbr>__<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Also I belive docker compose is just command line tool which doesn’t<br>
have any api or scheduling features.<br>
But during last Docker Conf hackathon PayPal folks implemented<br>
docker compose executor for Mesos<br>
(<a href="https://github.com/mohitsoni/compose-executor" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/mohitsoni/<wbr>compose-executor</a>)<br>
which can give you pod like experience.<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum]swarm + compose = k8s?<br>
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Wanghua,<br>
<br>
I do follow your logic, but docker-compose only needs the docker API<br>
to operate. We are intentionally avoiding re-inventing the wheel.<br>
Our goal is not to replace docker swarm (or other existing systems),<br>
but to compliment it/them. We want to offer users of Docker the<br>
richness of native APIs and supporting tools. This way they will not<br>
need to compromise features or wait longer for us to implement each<br>
new feature as it is added. Keep in mind that our pod, service, and<br>
replication controller resources pre-date this philosophy. If we<br>
started out with the current approach, those would not exist in Magnum.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Adrian<br>
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Hi folks,<br>
<br>
Magnum now exposes service, pod, etc to users in kubernetes coe, but<br>
exposes container in swarm coe. As I know, swarm is only a scheduler<br>
of container, which is like nova in openstack. Docker compose is a<br>
orchestration program which is like heat in openstack. k8s is the<br>
combination of scheduler and orchestration. So I think it is better<br>
to expose the apis in compose to users which are at the same level<br>
as k8s.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
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