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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/09/2015 19:26, Kevin Benton a
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<p dir="ltr">Maybe it would be a good idea to switch to 23:59 AOE
deadlines like many paper submissions use for academic
conferences. That way there is never a need to convert TZs, you
just get it in by the end of the day in your own time zone. </p>
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IMHO, the current process leaves enough time for proposing a
candidacy, given that it's first advertised by beginning of the
cycle on the main Release schedule wiki page (eg. for Liberty [1])
and then officially announced 8 days before the deadline. We also
know that PTL elections come around 6 weeks before the Summit every
cycle. One last official annoucement is made 1 day before the
deadline.<br>
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Trying to target the very last moment for providing a candidacy just
seems risky to me in that condition and we should really propose to
the candidates to not wait for the last minute and propose far
eariler.<br>
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-Sylvain<br>
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[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Liberty_Release_Schedule&oldid=78501">https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Liberty_Release_Schedule&oldid=78501</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 17, 2015 9:18 AM, "Edgar Magana"
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<div>Folks,</div>
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<div>Last year I found myself in the same position when I
missed a deadline because my wrong planning and time
zones nightmare!</div>
<div>However, the rules were very clear and I assumed my
mistake. So, we should assume that we do not have
candidates and follow the already described process.
However, this should be very easy to figure out for the
TC, it is just a matter to find our who is interested in
the PTL role and consulting with the core team of that
specific project.</div>
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<div>Just my two cents… </div>
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<div>Edgar</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Kyle
Mestery<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"OpenStack
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday,
September 17, 2015 at 8:48 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"OpenStack
Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[openstack-dev] [all][elections] PTL nomination period
is now over<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Monty
Taylor <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<span>On 09/17/2015 04:50 PM, Anita Kuno
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On 09/17/2015 08:22 AM, Matt Riedemann
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On 9/17/2015 8:25 AM, Tristan Cacqueray
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PTL Nomination is now over. The
official candidate list is available
on<br>
the wiki[0].<br>
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There are 5 projects without
candidates, so according to this<br>
resolution[1], the TC we'll have to
appoint a new PTL for Barbican,<br>
MagnetoDB, Magnum, Murano and Security<br>
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This is devil's advocate, but why does a
project technically need a PTL?<br>
Just so that there can be a contact
point for cross-project things,<br>
i.e. a lightning rod? There are
projects that do a lot of group<br>
leadership/delegation/etc, so it doesn't
seem that a PTL is technically<br>
required in all cases.<br>
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I think that is a great question for the
TC to consider when they<br>
evaluate options for action with these
projects.<br>
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The election officials are fulfilling
their obligation according to the<br>
resolution:<br>
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If you read the verb there the verb is
"can" not "must", I choose the<br>
verb "can" on purpose for the resolution
when I wrote it. The TC has the<br>
option to select an appointee. The TC can
do other things as well,<br>
should the TC choose.<br>
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</span>I agree- and this is a great example of
places where human judgement is better than
rules.<br>
<br>
For instance - one of the projects had a
nominee but it missed the deadline, so that's
probably an easy on.<br>
<br>
For one of the projects it had been looking
dead for a while, so this is the final nail in
the coffin from my POV<br>
<br>
For the other three - I know they're still
active projects with people interested in
them, so sorting them out will be fun!
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<div>This is the right approach. Human judgement
#ftw! :)<br>
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There are 7 projects that will have
an election: Cinder, Glance, Ironic,<br>
Keystone, Mistral, Neutron and Oslo.
The details for those will be<br>
posted tomorrow after Tony and I
setup the CIVS system.<br>
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Thank you,<br>
Tristan<br>
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[0]:<br>
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