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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Peng,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Several questions Here. You mentioned that HyperStack is a single big “bay”. Then, who is doing the multi-host scheduling, Hyper or something else? Were you
suggesting to integrate Hyper with Magnum directly? Or you were suggesting to integrate Hyper with Magnum indirectly (i.e. through k8s, mesos and/or Nova)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hongbin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> July-17-15 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum][bp] Power Magnum to run on metal with Hyper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There could be a much longer version of this, but let me try to explain in a minimalist way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bay currently has two modes: VM-based, BM-based. In both cases, Bay helps to isolate different tenants' containers. In other words, bay is single-tenancy. For BM-based bay, the single tenancy is a worthy tradeoff, given the performance
merits of LXC vs VM. However, for a VM-based bay, there is no performance gain, but single tenancy seems a must, due to the lack of isolation in container. Hyper, as a hypervisor-based substitute for container, brings the much-needed isolation, and therefore
enables multi-tenancy. In HyperStack, we don't really need Ironic to provision multiple Hyper bays. On the other hand, the entire HyperStack cluster is a single big "bay". Pretty similar to how Nova works.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, HyperStack is able to leverage Cinder, Neutron for SDS/SDN functionality. So when someone submits a Docker Compose app, HyperStack would launch HyperVMs and call Cinder/Neutron to setup the volumes and network. The architecture is
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are a blog I'd like to recommend: <a href="https://hyper.sh/blog/post/2015/06/29/docker-hyper-and-the-end-of-guest-os.html">https://hyper.sh/blog/post/2015/06/29/docker-hyper-and-the-end-of-guest-os.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"> "Adrian Otto"<<a href="mailto:adrian.otto@rackspace.com">adrian.otto@rackspace.com</a>>;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">Date:
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"> Thu, Jul 16, 2015 11:02 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"> "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"<<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>>;
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"> Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum][bp] Power Magnum to run onmetalwith Hyper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hyper is a substitute for a Docker host, so I expect it could work equally well for all of the current bay types. Hyper’s idea of a “pod” and a Kubernetes “pod” are similar, but different. I’m not yet convinced
that integrating Hyper host creation direct with Magnum (and completely bypassing nova) is a good idea. It probably makes more sense to implement use nova with the ironic dirt driver to provision Hyper hosts so we can use those as substitutes for Bay nodes
in our various Bay types. This would fit in the place were we use Fedora Atomic today. We could still rely on nova to do all of the machine instance management and accounting like we do today, but produce bays that use Hyper instead of a Docker host. Everywhere
we currently offer CoreOS as an option we could also offer Hyper as an alternative, with some caveats.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">There may be some caveats/drawbacks to consider before committing to a Hyper integration. I’ll be asking those of Peng also on this thread, so keep an eye out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">Thanks Peng, then I can see two integration points for Magnum and Hyper:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">1) Once Hyper and k8s integration finished, we can deploy k8s in two mode: docker and hyper mode, the end user can select which mode they want to use. For such case, we do not need
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">2) After mesos and hyper integration, we can treat mesos and hyper as a new bay to magnum. Just like what we are doing now for mesos+marathon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2015-07-16 17:38 GMT+08:00 Peng Zhao <<a href="mailto:peng@hyper.sh" target="_blank">peng@hyper.sh</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Jay Lau <<a href="mailto:jay.lau.513@gmail.com" target="_blank">jay.lau.513@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Just want to get more for Hyper. If we create a hyper bay, then can I set up multiple hosts in a hyper bay? If so, who will do the scheduling, does mesos or some others integrate with hyper?
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> “Adrian Otto”<<a href="mailto:adrian.otto@rackspace.com" target="_blank">adrian.otto@rackspace.com</a>>;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> “OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)“<<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>>;
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum][bp] Power Magnum to run onmetal withHyper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Let me recap what is hyper and the idea of hyperstack.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I do not understand the last line above. My understanding is that AUFS == UnionFS, which is used to implement a storage driver for Docker. Others exist
for btrfs, and devicemapper. You select which one you want by setting an option like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">DOCKEROPTS=”-s devicemapper”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Are you trying to say that with Hyper, AUFS is used to provide layered Docker image capability that are shared by multiple hypervisor guests?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Peng >>> Yes, AUFS implies the Docker images here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">My guess is that you are trying to articulate that a host running Hyper is a 1:1 substitute for a host running Docker, and will respond using the Docker
remote API. This would result in containers running on the same host that have a superior security isolation than they would if LXC was used as the backend to Docker. Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Peng>>> Exactly
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Due to the shared-kernel nature of LXC, Docker lacks of the necessary isolation in a multi-tenant CaaS platform, and this is what Hyper/hypervisor is
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">And because of this, most CaaS today run on top of IaaS:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Hyper enables the native, secure, bare-metal CaaS <a href="https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/55545e127c7cbe0ec5b82f2b/395x244/828ad577dafb3f357e95899e962651b2/caas.png" target="_blank">https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/55545e127c7cbe0ec5b82f2b/395x244/828ad577dafb3f357e95899e962651b2/caas.png</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">From the tech stack perspective, Hyperstack turns Magnum o run in parallel with Nova, not running on atop.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">For this to work, we’d expect to get a compute host from Heat, so if the bay type were set to “hyper”, we’d need to use a template that can produce a
compute host running Hyper. How would that host be produced, if we do not get it from nova? Might it make more sense to make a dirt driver for nova that could produce a Hyper guest on a host already running the nova-compute agent? That way Magnum would not
need to re-create any of Nova’s functionality in order to produce nova instances of type “hyper”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Peng >>> We don’t have to get the physical host from nova. Let’s say<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> OpenStack = Nova+Cinder+Neutron+Bare-metal+KVM, so “AWS-like IaaS for everyone else”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> HyperStack= Magnum+Cinder+Neutron+Bare-metal+Hyper, then “Google-like CaaS for everyone else”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Ideally, customers should deploy a single OpenStack cluster, with both nova/kvm and magnum/hyper. I’m looking for a solution to make nova/magnum co-exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Peng>>> We are working on the libvirt integration, expect in v0.5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Can Hyper support nested Docker containers within the Hyper guest?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Peng>>> Docker in Docker? In a HyperVM instance, there is no docker daemon, cgroup and namespace (except MNT for pod). VM serves the purpose of isolation.
We plan to support cgroup and namespace, so you can control whether multiple containers in a pod share the same namespace, or completely isolated. But in either case, no docker daemon is present.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> “Adrian Otto”<<a href="mailto:adrian.otto@rackspace.com" target="_blank">adrian.otto@rackspace.com</a>>;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt;background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Date:
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> Tue, Jul 14, 2015 07:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> “OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)“<<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>>;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt;background:#EFEFEF"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Subject:
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum][bp] Power Magnum to run on metal withHyper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I woud like to ask for your input about adding support for Hyper in Magnum:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack" target="_blank">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">We touched on this in our last team meeting, and it was apparent that achieving a higher level of understanding of the technology before weighing in about
the directional approval of this blueprint. Peng Zhao and Xu Wang have graciously agreed to respond to this thread to address questions about how the technology works, and how it could be integrated with Magnum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Please take a moment to review the blueprint, and ask your questions here on this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">On Jul 2, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Peng Zhao <<a href="mailto:peng@hyper.sh" target="_blank">peng@hyper.sh</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack" target="_blank">
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:4.5pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Hyper - Make VM run like Container<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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