<div dir="ltr">Hi Gosha,<br><br>This definitely sounds like an interesting use case for Congress. Keep in mind that Congress doesn't itself do placement (though we did some experimentation with that [1][2]). Some thoughts.<div><br></div><div>1. Let's suppose Murano/Congress/etc. allow us to figure out which app should be deployed in which region. Is there a separate Nova for each region that can do the actual scheduling? If not, how would Murano force the app to be deployed in the proper region?</div><div><br></div><div>2. Let's assume Murano can force the app to the proper region. One option for using Congress to compute the proper region would be to write policy statements that enumerate the permitted regions for a given application, and then ask Congress for one of those regions. For your statements above, we could write the following policy statements</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:13.1999998092651px;line-height:19.7999992370605px">Solaris is required then select Region_Solaris. Or more complex If Solaris is required then select less loaded regions from [Region_Solaris1, Region_Solaris2]</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>permitted_region(app, region) :- </div><div>murano:app_requires(app, "solaris"), </div><div><div><br></div><div>[1] Design doc: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit</a><br><div>[2] Slides: <a href="https://drive.google.com/a/styra.com/file/d/0ByDz-eYOtswScUFUc1ZrVVhmQlk/view">https://drive.google.com/a/styra.com/file/d/0ByDz-eYOtswScUFUc1ZrVVhmQlk/view</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:36 AM Georgy Okrokvertskhov <<a href="mailto:gokrokvertskhov@mirantis.com">gokrokvertskhov@mirantis.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>All applications are monolithic so they don't need to be split over multiple regions. It is necessary to have an ability to select a region based on requirements and for now I don't care how they are placed inside the region. </div><div>I am not sure how region's capabilities will be stored and actually this is a reason why I am asking if Congress will solve this. I can imagine a policy which says if Solaris is required then select Region_Solaris. Or more complex If Solaris is required then select less loaded regions from [Region_Solaris1, Region_Solaris2]</div><div><br></div><div>In this use case Murano will deploy complex environment which consist of multiple atomic applications with different requirements, so deployment will be across clouds but for whole environment. Imagine IBM MQ on AIX and PowerPC + Oracle DB on Solaris + Microsoft IIS on Windows 2012 & HyperV + WebSphere on RHEL & KVM.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Gosha</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:17 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ruby.krishnaswamy@orange.com" target="_blank">ruby.krishnaswamy@orange.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Did you mean placement at “two levels”. First to select the region and then within each region, Nova scheduler will place on hosts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">But where will the capabilities of each region (based on which placement decision will be made) be stored? Will each region be queried to obtain this
information?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Will a single application need to be placed (split across) different regions?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Georgy Okrokvertskhov [mailto:<a href="mailto:gokrokvertskhov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">gokrokvertskhov@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 1 juillet 2015 21:26<br>
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<b>Objet :</b> [openstack-dev] [Murano][Congress] Application placement use case<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I would like to share with the community one of the real use case which we saw while working with one of the Murano customer and ask an advice.
This customer has multiple OpenStack regions which are serving for different hypervisors. The reason for that is Oracle OpenStack which is used to work with Solaris on top of SPARC architecture. There are other hypervisors KVM and VMWare which are used.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">There are multiple applications which should be placed to different regions based on their requirements (OS, Hypervisor, networking restrictions).
As there is no single cloud, Nova scheduler can’t be used (at least in my understanding) so we need to have some placement policies to put applications properly. And obviously we don’t want to ask end user about the placement.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Right now in Murano we can do this by:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hardcoding placement inside application. This approach will work and does not require any significant change in Murano. But there are obvious limitations
like if we have two options for placement which one should be hardcoded. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Create special placement scheduler application\class in Murano which will use some logic to place applications properly. This is better approach as nothing
is hard coded in applications except their requirements. Applications will just have a workflow to ask placement scheduler for a decision and then will just use this decision.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Use some external tool or OpenStack component for placement decision. This is a very generic use case which we saw multiple times. Tools like CIRBA are
often used for this. Murano will need an interface to ask these tools. I think about this solution as an extension of 2.<u></u><u></u></span></p><span>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I am aware that Murano is working on integration with Congress and I am looking for an opportunity here to address real use case of Murano
usage in real customer environment. It will be great to know if OpenStack can offer something here without involving 3rd party tools. I suspect that this is a good use case for Congress, but I would like to see how it might be implemented.
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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