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<div>Kevin, I agree with your break out, except I think you are missing a 3rd category. 100's of public cloud support specialists, developers, and product management folks use the CLI without scripts every day in supporting the OpenStack services and customers.
Using and interacting with the CLI is how folks learn the OpenStack services. The CLIs can be painful for those users when they actually want to learn the service, not shell script around it.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><Fox>, Kevin M <<a href="mailto:Kevin.Fox@pnnl.gov">Kevin.Fox@pnnl.gov</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:28 PM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Should logs be deleted when we delete an app?<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">-1. There are developers and there are users/admins. The former tend to write in python. the latter, shell.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 16, 2015 2:42 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Should logs be deleted when we delete an app?<br>
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<div>Isn't that what the SDK is for? To chip in with a Product Management type hat on, I'd think the CLI should be primarily focused on user experience interaction, and the SDK should be primarily targeted for developer automation needs around programmatically
interacting with the service. So, I would argue that the target market for the CLI should not be the developer who wants to script.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Adrian Otto <<a href="mailto:adrian.otto@rackspace.com" target="_blank">adrian.otto@rackspace.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:24 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Should logs be deleted when we delete an app?<br>
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choices like that one can make it more confusing for developers who want to script with the CLI. My preference would be to label the app delete help text to clearly indicate that it deletes logs</span></blockquote>
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