<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">So... test jobs should be extremely explicit about what they setup and<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">what they expect.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+2 </div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Boris Pavlovic </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Sean Dague <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sean@dague.net" target="_blank">sean@dague.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 05/07/2015 02:29 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:<br>
> Boris Pavlovic wrote:<br>
>> Sean,<br>
>><br>
>> Nobody is able to track and know *everything*.<br>
>><br>
>> Friendly reminder that Heat is going to be removed and not installed by<br>
>> default would help to avoid such situations.<br>
><br>
> Doesn't keystone have a service listing? Use that in rally (and<br>
> elsewhere?), if keystone had a service and each service had a API<br>
> discovery ability, there u go, profit! ;)<br>
<br>
</span>Service listing for test jobs is actually quite dangerous, because then<br>
something can change something about which services are registered, and<br>
you automatically start skipping 30% of your tests because you react<br>
correctly to this change. However, that means the job stopped doing what<br>
you think it should do.<br>
<br>
*This has happened multiple times in the past*. And typically days,<br>
weeks, or months go by before someone notices in investigating an<br>
unrelated failure. And then it's days, weeks, or months to dig out of<br>
the regressions introduced.<br>
<br>
So... test jobs should be extremely explicit about what they setup and<br>
what they expect.<br>
<span class=""><br>
-Sean<br>
<br>
--<br>
Sean Dague<br>
<a href="http://dague.net" target="_blank">http://dague.net</a><br>
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