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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Same is true of network shares. If its already listed in fstab, it will just work. But an admin's got to manually add it there. My point is "automation" is not supported in cinder
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Thanks,<br>
Kevin<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 01, 2015 8:19 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Manila] Mount automation using Zeroconf<br>
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<div>On 05/01/2015 09:32 AM, Fox, Kevin M wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hmm.... The cinder volumes dont automount either. /dev/vdx shows up, but you have to format/mount it yourself.<br>
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Maybe both teams could share a common solution? Im guessing it will have to be an agent...<br>
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That not really true. If the volume is already formatted with a filesystem, and the filesystem is listed in the fstab, linux will mount it automatically. Same with Windows. Even unlabelled volumes could be automatically formatted and mounted with some script
inside the guest that was watching for the right events.<br>
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With shares, even the basic notification is not there, nor is there a standard way for a guest to determine what mounts are available out there (the equivalent of the existence of the /dev/* files).<br>
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We'd like to solve these 2 basic problems in a way that's standard across all Manila instances. Of course what consumes that information and what happens afterwards would ideally be up the the tenant, and we would like to provide a set of samples for popular
use cases.<br>
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-Ben<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Thanks,<br>
Kevin <strong>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Deepak Shetty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:54:31 PM<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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Have we considered cloud-init and qemu guest agent, I remember there was some discussion around this<br>
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in the prev summit, but i couldn't find any etherpad/notes on that.<br>
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<div>I had one more question in this regards. Is it possible to do some kind of VM hotplug add operation as part of manila<br>
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<div>access allow which will cause the VM to see a new drive with a pre-specified label and a client inside the VM will<br>
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<div>mount it as part of the udev/uevent ? <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Knight, Clinton <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:Clinton.Knight@netapp.com" target="_blank">Clinton.Knight@netapp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Thanks, Luis, I agree with your assessment that one good way to solve this<br>
issue is a publisher-subscriber model. The publisher would be Manila,<br>
using zeroconf or AMQP or Zaqar (the one Iım investigating now). The<br>
subscriber would be a lightweight agent running on the client that listens<br>
for share availability events and handles the mounts. One open question<br>
is whether Manila needs to store a record of client mounts, without which<br>
it could not influence the mount paths on each client.<br>
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On 4/27/15, 1:49 PM, "Luis Pabon" <<a href="mailto:lpabon@redhat.com" target="_blank">lpabon@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Hi Clinton,<br>
> I think there are two main parts that are needed to automatically mount<br>
>Manila shares. One is the share discovery model, and the other is<br>
>enabling the virtual machine to mount the share. I think the only<br>
>benefit to using zeroconf would be as a standard way to broadcast<br>
>availability of a network share regardless of protocol. Manila could<br>
>broadcast the availability of a share by using a name like _manila_nfs,<br>
>_manila_cifs, _manila_gluster, etc. Although, even with zeroconf, the<br>
>virtual machine still requires an agent to be able to attach the share<br>
>for use. I think the real benefit of using zeroconf is its simplicity.<br>
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>There could still be other methods we can investigate. For example<br>
>(don't kill me for this ;-)), have a Manila YP NIS service for NFS shares?<br>
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>- Luis<br>
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>----- Original Message -----<br>
>From: "Clinton Knight" <<a href="mailto:Clinton.Knight@netapp.com" target="_blank">Clinton.Knight@netapp.com</a>><br>
>To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"<br>
><<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 3:29:50 PM<br>
>Subject: [openstack-dev] [Manila] Mount automation using Zeroconf<br>
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>Hello, Manila-philes.<br>
><br>
>Back in Paris we started talking about Manila mount automation, whereby<br>
>file shares could be automatically mounted on clients, and this will<br>
>likely be a topic in Vancouver. So in order to have an informed<br>
>discussion at the summit, I'd like to explore a few things beforehand.<br>
><br>
>Besides brute force approaches like SSH or PsExec, one of the community<br>
>suggestions was to use Zeroconf (aka Bonjour)[1]. Zeroconf sounds<br>
>attractive on the surface, but it seems to have a number of limitations:<br>
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>* No standard way to specify local mount point<br>
>* Additional setup required to work beyond the 'local' domain<br>
>* Custom software needed on clients to mount advertised shares<br>
>* Same issues with network connectivity as any other mount automation<br>
>solution<br>
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>Does anyone have a clearer idea how Zeroconf might satisfy the need for<br>
>Manila mount automation?<br>
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>Thanks,<br>
>Clinton Knight<br>
>Manila core team<br>
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>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration_networking" target="_blank">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-configuration_networking</a><br>
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