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<div>The spec review process has made it much easier for operators to see what is being proposed and give input.</div>
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<div>Recognition is a different topic. It also comes into who would be the operator/user electorate ? ATC is simple to define where the equivalent operator/user definition is less clear.</div>
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<div>I’m trying to capture the various comments from this discussion as time permits in the ether pad for the user committee design session at <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-user-committee">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-user-committee</a> but
feel free to add further items you’d like to discuss. The user committee or operators mailing list is, IMHO, a better place for these discussions since they are generally paid to run their clouds.</div>
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<div>Tim (trying to keep up while running a 140K core cloud and doing lots outreach )</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Adam Lawson <<a href="mailto:alawson@aqorn.com">alawson@aqorn.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, May 1, 2015 at 6:06 PM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Who is allowed to vote for TC candidates<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So this is an interesting idea. Would we require operators co-author/review all patches that land? if not (and that actually strikes me as making uploading patches more difficult unnecessarily), My question is how Operators can easily get involved
with that process.
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<div>If Operators want to get recognized for contributing and participate with TC elections, an easy way to start an engagement with some means of tracking would be immensely helpful I think.</div>
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<div>Does the current system allow this kind of co-authoring/operator review sort of thing?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joshua Harlow <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:harlowja@outlook.com" target="_blank">harlowja@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<span class="">Davanum Srinivas wrote:<br>
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One concrete suggestion based on my experience working with Kris<br>
Lindgren on Heartbeat patch:<br>
<a href="http://markmail.org/message/gifrt5f3mslco24j" target="_blank">http://markmail.org/message/gifrt5f3mslco24j</a><br>
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I could have added a "Co-Tested-By" (or "Co-Operator" - get it? :) in<br>
my commit message which would have signaled a concrete<br>
contribution/feedback with specific folks in the operator community.<br>
This could be done not just for code, could be for reviews or<br>
documentation etc as well. WDYT?<br>
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</span>+1 Kris is a great example, and I can think of other operators that should be some sort of ATC (but may not contribute code to get this). IMHO any operator running openstack (let's say at least at 50+ compute nodes) and operating it should get full access
to the summit, because their words of advice/experience are just as useful as technical contributors...
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Adam Lawson<<a href="mailto:alawson@aqorn.com" target="_blank">alawson@aqorn.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I think it's easy to quantify a code contributor since we have systems that<br>
monitor activity - who contributed, what they contributed and when. But we<br>
don't have a system that monitors operator activity and honestly, that's the<br>
question mark for which I really don't have any answers. That might be our<br>
first hurdle - how define the difference between a causal user making<br>
remarks on the mailing lists and someone who works with the technology and<br>
engages. We'd have to quantify them differently somehow.<br>
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Maybe attending an operators meeting would qualify someone to vote?<br>
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On Apr 30, 2015 5:35 PM, "Stefano Maffulli"<<a href="mailto:stefano@openstack.org" target="_blank">stefano@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Thu, 2015-04-30 at 12:26 +0200, Flavio Percoco wrote:<br>
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I've seen the number of threads to discuss Ops topics increase in<br>
openstack-dev and the influence of Ops - even just points of views<br>
inherited from the feedback we've got - on reviews has gotten better<br>
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Fantastic, that has always been the intention.<br>
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If it's a matter of having more Ops voting for the TC, we do have a<br>
process in place that we could likely improve. Other than that, I<br>
believe Thierry and Doug have explained perfectly the issues related<br>
to having these 2 groups merged from a *governance* perspective.<br>
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I noticed that this round of elections we had TC *candidates* that at<br>
least I consider more operators than strictly 'dev'. That, to me, is a<br>
huge sign of the progress we've made to integrate the two categories.<br>
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To me the real big question is: how are candidates from the operators<br>
side going to get a better chance of being elected next time?<br>
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And what's the role of the User Committee in all this?<br>
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/stef<br>
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