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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/30/15 10:15, Thierry Carrez
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<pre wrap="">Doug Hellmann wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Anyway, I find it curious that the TC is elected by those within the
developer community but TC candidates talk about representing the operator
community who are not allowed to vote. Operators meaning Admins,
Architects, etc. It sounds like this is something most TC candidates want
which most would agree is a good thing. At least I think so. ; )
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I'm going to nitpick on terminology a bit. The TC is elected by
*technical contributors*, not developers, as described in the charter:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html#voters-for-tc-seats-atc">http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html#voters-for-tc-seats-atc</a>
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+1
I think there is a key misconception in this thread that the TC is
supposed to represent (or talk about representing) more than just the
technical contributors that produce OpenStack.
When the OpenStack Foundation was set up, three bodies of governance
were established:
- the Board of Directors (representing the community as a whole)
- the Technical Committee (representing technical contributors)
- the User Committee (representing users and ops of OpenStack)
The Technical Committee mandate is therefore not to represent the users
and Ops of OpenStack in that setup, it's the role of the User committee.
If we did include Ops, we would be clearly overstepping our mandate.</pre>
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Thierry, essentially I agree with you. I do think though that the
disconnect between Dev & Ops is an unhealthy situation. Two
separate bodies working in two different ways with two different
agendas is actually very much against the current way that most
development organizations are aspire towards.<br>
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The TC charter [1] states. <br>
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline
!important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The
Technical Committee (“TC”) is tasked with providing the technical
leadership for OpenStack as a whole (all official projects, as
defined below).<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(62, 67, 73); font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 14.3999996185303px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
21.5999984741211px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent:
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline
!important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It
enforces OpenStack ideals (Openness, Transparency, Commonality,
Integration, Quality...), decides on issues affecting multiple
projects, forms an ultimate appeals board for technical decisions,
and generally has technical oversight over all of OpenStack."<br>
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IMHO, the spirit of the original question that was raised was -
how can "all of OpenStack" only be those who write the code, and
not those that use and operate it on a day to day basis?<br>
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Rather than asking that Ops should be able to elect the TC, you should
probably start discussing how to improve on the User committee election
process and visibility.</pre>
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It would be great to understand how exactly this was done, what
their charter is and how much influence they have on technical
decisions within the larger OpenStack as a whole [2]<br>
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html">http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html</a><br>
[2]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee</a><br>
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Best Regards,<br>
Maish Saidel-Keesing</div>
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