<div dir="ltr">The concern is that having broken drivers out there that claim to work with an OpenStack project end up making the project look bad. It's similar to a first time Linux user experiencing frequent kernel panics because they are using hardware with terrible drivers. They aren't going to recognize the distinction and will just assume the project is bad.<div><br></div><div>><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">I would love to see OpenStack upstream acting more like a resource to support users and developers</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">I'm not sure what you mean here. The purpose of 3rd party CI requirements is to signal stability to users and to provide feedback to the developers.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Luke Gorrie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:luke@tail-f.com" target="_blank">luke@tail-f.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 28 April 2015 at 10:14, Duncan Thomas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:duncan.thomas@gmail.com" target="_blank">duncan.thomas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>If we allow third party CI to fail and wait for vendors to fix their stuff, experience has shown that they won't, and there'll be broken or barely functional drivers out there, and no easy way for the community to exert pressure to fix them up.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Can't the user community exert pressure on the driver developers directly by talking to them, or indirectly by not using their drivers? How come OpenStack upstream wants to tell the developers what is needed before the users get a chance to take a look?</div><div><br></div><div>I would love to see OpenStack upstream acting more like a resource to support users and developers (e.g. providing 3rd party CI hooks upon requst) and less like gatekeepers with big sticks to wave at people who don't drop their own priorities and Follow The Process.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
<br>__________________________________________________________________________<br>
OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
Unsubscribe: <a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe" target="_blank">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div>Kevin Benton</div></div>
</div>