<div dir="ltr">Doug, HMS Octavia was a British mine sweeper that served during WW2 figthing German warships and u-boats somewhere in the sea.<div>I therefore believe if you have anything against this name you are secretly a nazi.</div><div><br></div><div>Does that work for the Godwin's law call?</div><div><br></div><div>Salvatore</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 April 2015 at 22:09, Doug Wiegley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dougwig@parksidesoftware.com" target="_blank">dougwig@parksidesoftware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Russell Bryant <<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 04/23/2015 03:23 PM, Kyle Mestery wrote:<br>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Doug Wiegley<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:dougwig@parksidesoftware.com">dougwig@parksidesoftware.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dougwig@parksidesoftware.com">dougwig@parksidesoftware.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Russell Bryant <<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 04/23/2015 01:19 PM, Armando M. wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 23 April 2015 at 09:58, Russell Bryant <<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 04/23/2015 12:14 PM, Armando M. wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 23 April 2015 at 07:32, Russell Bryant <<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>>><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com">rbryant@redhat.com</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 04/22/2015 10:33 PM, Armando M. wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Would it make sense to capture these projects as simply<br>
>>>>>> 'affiliated', ie. with a loose relationship to Neutron,<br>
>>>>> because<br>
>>>>>> they use/integrate with Neutron in some form or<br>
>>>> another (e.g.<br>
>>>>>> having 3rd-party, extending-api,<br>
>>>> integrating-via-plugin-model,<br>
>>>>>> etc)? Then we could simply consider extending the<br>
>>>>> projects.yaml<br>
>>>>>> to capture this new concept (for Neutron or any<br>
>>>> other project)<br>
>>>>>> once we defined its ontology.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thoughts?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> That seems interesting, but given the communities stated<br>
>>>> goals<br>
>>>>>> around Big Tent, it seems to me like affiliation or not,<br>
>>>> adding<br>
>>>>>> these under the Neutron tent, inside the larger<br>
>>>> OpenStack Bigger<br>
>>>>>> Tent, would be a good thing.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>> Kyle<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks for clearing some of the questions I raised. I should<br>
>>>>> stress the<br>
>>>>>> fact that I welcome the idea of finding a more sensible home<br>
>>>> for these<br>
>>>>>> projects in light of the big tent developments, but it seems<br>
>>>> like<br>
>>>>> we're<br>
>>>>>> still pouring down the foundations. I'd rather get us to a<br>
>>>> point where<br>
>>>>>> the landscape is clear, and the dust settled. That would help us<br>
>>>>> make a<br>
>>>>>> more informed decision compared to the one we can make right<br>
>>>> now.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Can you be a bit more specific about what's not clear and<br>
>>>> would help<br>
>>>>> make you feel more informed?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I am not clear on how we make a decision, as to which project<br>
>>>> belongs or<br>
>>>>> doesn't to the Neutron 'umbrella', 'tent', 'stadium' or however<br>
>> we end<br>
>>>>> up calling it :)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> OK, that's fine. Figuring that out is the next step if folks<br>
>> agree with<br>
>>>> Neutron as the home for networking-foo repos. I'm happy to<br>
>> write up a<br>
>>>> strawman proposal for inclusion criteria and a set of expectations<br>
>>>> around responsibilities and communication.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> What about the other Neutron related ones that didn't strictly follow<br>
>>>> the networking- prefix in the name, would the naming convention<br>
>> be one<br>
>>>> of the criteria? I look forward to your proposal.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Good question. I think consistency is good, especially when there are<br>
>>> so many of them. It helps make it clear that they're all<br>
>> following some<br>
>>> sort of pattern. Luckily we do have a way to get repos renamed if<br>
>> needed.<br>
>><br>
>> There is one existing project, stackforge/octavia, which is quite<br>
>> active and has used its codename extensively. Suggested naming I’d<br>
>> be ok with, but enforced naming seems… confining.<br>
><br>
> To be honest, I really don't care about the names. All it takes is some<br>
> pretty easy docs to help people figure out what things are and where<br>
> they live. Making it a recommendation is fine with me.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> If we've reached the point where we're arguing about naming, dos this<br>
>> mean we've built consensus on the "yes, it makes sense for these to live<br>
>> under Neutron" argument?<br>
><br>
> Ha. I figured I'd give it at least another day before stirring up more<br>
> debate with a proposal around criteria / responsibilities / expectations.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Quick, someone invoke Godwin’s law, and then let’s ship this thing.<br>
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> Russell Bryant<br>
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