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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">These Service-VMs are for which purpose. What are differentiations factors between “open stack Service-VM” (OSVM) and nfv / Tenant-Service-VM (TSVM)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Open stack control: (OSC):
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">OSC Manages these OSVM ?
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Each services inside OSVM are enabled by OSC ?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">These OSVM can process the east-west packet also ? Or there scope is only program the OVS of the open stack infrastructure ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Can OSVM also have OVS ?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If OSVM process packet, at user level what will be impact on latency ?
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">How to protect OVSM from Tenants ? How to provide security w.r.t OVSM data, so in multi-tenants scenario , they will not be corrupt he OVSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tenants Controller: (Ex: NFV VIM / others):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Each TSVM services are enabled by Tennant Controller ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">TSVM can write into OVS local to that VM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Can OSC controller write into TSVM OVS, if required , to optimize the latency ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If required OSC controller can program the OVS inside the OVSVM also ? Are we heading in this direction ?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">keshava<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Zang, Rui [mailto:rui.zang@intel.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] openwrt VM as service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">We have a “Tacker” project aiming to manage service VMs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ServiceVM">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ServiceVM</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Personally I think all the advance network services like firewall/LB/VPN can be provided by service VMs and eventually managed by Tacker.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> A, Keshava [<a href="mailto:keshava.a@hp.com">mailto:keshava.a@hp.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] openwrt VM as service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">SO we are going in a direction , where Open stack Infrastructure features also moving into Service-VM ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Moving into Service-VM is mixing with NFV world, where these Tennant/NFV Services are supposed to be outside open stack infrastructure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Let me know if my understanding is correct here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">keshava<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Dean Troyer [<a href="mailto:dtroyer@gmail.com">mailto:dtroyer@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] openwrt VM as service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Guo, Ruijing <<a href="mailto:ruijing.guo@intel.com" target="_blank">ruijing.guo@intel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’d like to propose openwrt VM as service.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What’s openWRT VM as service:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">a) Tenant can download openWRT VM from
<a href="http://downloads.openwrt.org/" target="_blank">http://downloads.openwrt.org/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">b) Tenant can create WAN interface from external public network</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">c) Tenant can create private network and create instance from private network</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">d) Tenent can configure openWRT for several services including DHCP, route, QoS, ACL and
VPNs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, what you are describing are services, yes, but I think to focus on the OpenWRT part of it is missing the point. For example, Neutron has a VPNaaS already, but I agree it can also be built using OpenWRT and OpenVPN. I don't think
it is a stand-alone service though, using a combination of Heat/{ansible|chef|puppet|salt}/any other deployment/orchestration can get you there. I have a shell script somewhere for doing exactly that on AWS from way back.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What I've always wanted was an image builder that would customize the packages pre-installed. This would be especially useful for disposable ramdisk-only or JFFS images that really can't install additional packages. Such a front-end to
the SDK/imagebuilder sounds like about half of what you are talking about above.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, FWIW, a while back I packaged up a micro cloud-init replacement[0] in shell that turns out to be really useful. It's based on something I couldn't find again to give proper attribution so if anyone knows who originated this I'd be
grateful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[0] <a href="https://github.com/dtroyer/openwrt-packages/tree/master/rc.cloud">https://github.com/dtroyer/openwrt-packages/tree/master/rc.cloud</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Dean Troyer<br>
<a href="mailto:dtroyer@gmail.com">dtroyer@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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