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<div class="">As a telco operator, who is active in the WG, I am absolutely an interested party for QoS. I’d be willing to hop between the two of them if absolutely necessary (it’s IRC, after all) but would prefer they not overlap if possible. Thanks!</div>
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>It will overlap with the Telco Working group weekly meeting [1]. It's too
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<pre class="" style="widows: auto; margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; padding: 0px; border: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font face="Helvetica" class=""><span class="" style="white-space: normal;">Mathieu, I’m not sure if people from the telco meeting would be interested in participation on this meeting, but my participation on the TWG meeting would probably help getting everyone in sync.</span></font></pre>
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<div class="">I prefer Timeslot B, thanks for coordinating. I would be interested in helping out in any way with the design session let me know!</div>
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<span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:19 PM<br class="">
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<div class=""> Both time slots work for me. Thanks for rekindling this effort.</div>
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