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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date: </span>Tuesday, April 7, 2015 12:19 PM<br class="">
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [QoS] QoS weekly meeting<br class="">
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<div class="">As you surely know, so far every attempt to achieve a consensus has failed in a pretty miserable way.</div>
<div class="">This mostly because "QoS" can be interpreted in a lot of different ways, both from the conceptual and practical perspective.</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">[1] </span><a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/quantum-qos-api" target="_blank" class="">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/quantum-qos-api</a></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">[2] </span><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2XATqL7DxHFRHNjU3k1UFNYRjQ/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank" class="">https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2XATqL7DxHFRHNjU3k1UFNYRjQ/view?usp=sharing</a></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">[3] </span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUx0Oq-txz_qVA2eYE1kIAJlwxGCSqXHgQEEGylwlZE/edit#heading=h.2pdgqfl3a231" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUx0Oq-txz_qVA2eYE1kIAJlwxGCSqXHgQEEGylwlZE/edit#heading=h.2pdgqfl3a231</a></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">[4] </span><a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/explicit-congestion-notification" target="_blank" class="">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/explicit-congestion-notification</a></div>
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