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<div>Kyle,</div>
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<div>I do understand it. My suggestions were related to timing and not related to the objectives of this meet-up, I do agree totally with you that we should get together to make a big push on the code and BPs and not to discuss and make more decisions.</div>
<div>For the next coding sprint I will plan it better with my sponsor company, in the meantime let me apologize with you and the Neutron team because I will not be able to attend it in person but I will be in IRC and if available hangouts.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Kyle Mestery <<a href="mailto:mestery@mestery.com">mestery@mestery.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 8:22 AM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint<br>
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<div>Thank you for your answers and also for organizing this coding sprint. </div>
<div>I would like to rephrase my question as follows. </div>
<div>If you are elected as Neutron PTL for the Liberty Cycle, would you consider to have either of the following options for the M cycle?:</div>
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<li>Move the next coding sprint at least one month after the “M” summit</li><li>Having both a sprint coding and a formal mid-cycle meet-up </li></ol>
<div>I know how hard is to organize these sessions and I by no means wanted to change people plans for attending the one in June 2015. However, raising my concerns and suggestions early in the process seems to be a good approach.</div>
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<div>The Liberty coding spring is actually more than a month after the Liberty Summit, so the M coding spring would be the same. I don't think having a coding spring and a mid-cycle makes sense. In fact, I am against mid-cycles where the focus is not on code.
Personally, we need to continue evolving the projects in OpenStack so decisions do not need to be made in person. Mid-cycles perpetuate the notion you have to go there and be present so you can be a part of the decision making process. Coding sprints are focused
on actually writing code together. Thus, I won't support mid-cycles where decisions are expected to be made, but will continue to support coding sprints.<br>
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<div>Hope that makes sense.<br>
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<div>Thanks,<br>
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<div>Kyle<br>
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<div>Kind Regards,</div>
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</span><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 6:09 AM
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint<br>
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<div>Having the mid-cyle just one month after the Liberty summit does not really fit into the definition of “mid-cycle”. It feels like we are just getting up to speed on Liberty BPs when we need to get ready for three days of sprint coding.</div>
<div>Would you consider to move this at least one month after?</div>
<div>I really want to go but it feels to soon to request permission to my management team.</div>
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<div>Thanks for your concerns Edgar. I guess you're right, and I will stop calling this a mid-cycle, and instead just refer to it as a the Neutron Liberty Coding Sprint. It's actually worked out really well to have it close to the first milestone, we have a
lot of things we can do very early in the cycle, getting together and pushing towards the first milestone with some of them will work well. Like I indicated to Russell, we'll do our best to facilitate remote attendees over IRC and maybe Hangouts while we're
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<div>Thanks!<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 6:39 AM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Liberty mid-cycle coding sprint<br>
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<span>On 04/07/2015 12:33 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:<br>
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Kyle Mestery wrote:<br>
>> I know we're not even at the Liberty Design Summit in Vancouver yet, but I<br>
>> wanted to take this time to announce the Neutron mid-cycle coding sprint<br>
>> for Liberty. HP has been gracious enough to offer to host at it's Fort<br>
>> Collins, CO offices. The dates are set for June 24-26, this is<br>
>> Wednesday-Friday. I've got additional information on the etherpad [1].<br>
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>> We'll set the specific agenda in the coming weeks, but the idea is to focus<br>
>> on things like the pending neutron-lib work [2] while there, similar to<br>
>> what we did with the advanced services split in Utah last year. My<br>
>> experience running the past two mid-cycles has been that having these<br>
>> earlier in the cycle has been helpful for landing a lot of work near the<br>
>> first milestone of a release. I expect this to be the same for Liberty with<br>
>> the sprint in Fort Collins.<br>
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>> Please note attendance is not required at all. We will do our best to<br>
>> facilitate virtual collaboration for those who cannot travel to the event.<br>
>> I wanted to get this out there for folks who have to book travel in advance.<br>
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> I don't know anything about these events. Naively: would OVN<br>
> development (some of which is in Neutron, much of which is not) be an<br>
> appropriate use of time at the event?<br>
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<div>Yes, I think putting OVN hacking on the agenda makes a lot of sense! I'll add it to the etherpad now.<br>
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<span></span>I suspect so. FWIW, I'm not sure I'll be going, though. The dates<br>
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<div>Bummer! But, as I said, we'll try our best to include remote people into the coding sprint, so hopefully you can participate from afar. :)<br>
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