<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Russell Bryant <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rbryant@redhat.com" target="_blank">rbryant@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">The TC is in the middle of implementing a fairly significant change in<br>
project governance. You can find an overview from Thierry on the<br>
OpenStack blog [1].<br>
<br>
Part of the change is to recognize more projects as being part of the<br>
OpenStack community. Another critical part was replacing the integrated<br>
release with a set of tags. A project would be given a tag if it meets<br>
some defined set of criteria.<br>
<br>
I feel that we're at a very vulnerable part of this transition. We've<br>
abolished the incubation process and integrated release. We've<br>
established a fairly low bar for new projects [2]. However, we have not<br>
yet approved *any* tags other than the one that reflects which projects<br>
are included in the final integrated release (Kilo) [3]. Despite the<br>
previously discussed challenges with the integrated release,<br>
it did at least mean that a project has met a very useful set of<br>
criteria [4].<br>
<br>
We now have several new project proposals. However, I propose not<br>
approving any new projects until we have a tagging system that is at<br>
least far enough along to represent the set of criteria that we used to<br>
apply to all OpenStack projects (with exception for ones we want to<br>
consciously drop). Otherwise, I think it's a significant setback to our<br>
project governance as we have yet to provide any useful way to navigate<br>
the growing set of projects.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I don't follow this argument.</div><div><br></div><div>My understanding is no tags will be required to join 'OpenStack,' they are just optional things for projects to try to achieve once they are in. So holding off accepting new projects for something that is not required during the adding new projects process seems odd.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps a better way to say the same thing is: While working with the tagging system to come up with a good set of tags to represent our previous graduation requirements, we may want to adjust the new project requirements[0].</div><div><br></div><div>[0] <a href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html">governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html</a> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The resulting set of tags doesn't have to be focused on replicating our<br>
previous set of criteria. The focus must be on what information is<br>
needed by various groups of consumers and tags are a mechanism to<br>
implement that. In any case, we're far from that point because today we<br>
have nothing.<br>
<br>
I can't think of any good reason to rush into approving projects in the<br>
short term. If we're not able to work out this rich tagging system in a<br>
reasonable amount of time, then maybe the whole approach is broken and<br>
we need to rethink the whole approach.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I fear this is a real possibility, and sounds like a reason to proceed carefully with adding new projects.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/02/tc-update-project-reform-progress/" target="_blank">http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/02/tc-update-project-reform-progress/</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html" target="_blank">http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html</a><br>
[3] <a href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html" target="_blank">http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html</a><br>
[4]<br>
<a href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/incubation-integration-requirements.html" target="_blank">http://governance.openstack.org/reference/incubation-integration-requirements.html</a><br>
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Russell Bryant<br>
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