<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-09 22:07 GMT+08:00 Murray, Paul (HP Cloud) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pmurray@hp.com" target="_blank">pmurray@hp.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">>There is bug when running nova with ironic <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1402658" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1402658</a><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d">I filed this bug – it has been a problem for us.<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">>The problem is at scheduler side the IronicHostManager will consume all the resources for that node whatever<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>how much resource the instance used. But at compute node side, the ResourceTracker won't consume resources<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>like that, just consume like normal virtual instance. And ResourceTracker will update the resource usage once the<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>instance resource claimed, then scheduler will know there are some free resource on that node, then will try to<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">>schedule other new instance to that node<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d">You have summed up the problem nicely – i.e.: the resource availability is calculated incorrectly for ironic nodes.</span><u></u><u></u></p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">>I take look at that, there is NumInstanceFilter, it will limit how many instance can schedule to one host. So can<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>we just use this filter to finish the goal? The max instance is configured by option 'max_instances_per_host', we<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>can make the virt driver to report how many instances it supported. The ironic driver can just report max_instances_per_host=1.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>And libvirt driver can report max_instance_per_host=-1, that means no limit. And then we can just remove the<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>IronicHostManager, then make the scheduler side is more simpler. Does make sense? or there are more trap?<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d">Makes sense, but solves the wrong problem. The problem is what you said above – i.e.: the resource availability is calculated incorrectly for ironic nodes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d">The right solution would be to fix the resource tracker. The ram resource on an ironic node has different allocation behavior to a regular node. The test to see if a new instance
fits is the same, but instead of deducting the requested amount to get the remaining availability it should simply return 0. This should be dealt with in the new resource objects ([2] below) by either having different version of the resource object for ironic
nodes (certainly doable and the most sensible option – resources should be presented according to the resources on the host). Alternatively the ram resource object should cater for the difference in its calculations.</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> Dang it, I reviewed that spec....why I didn't found that :( Totally beat me!</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d">I have a local fix for this that I was too shy to propose upstream because it’s a bit hacky and will hopefully be obsolete soon. I could share it if you like.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">From: <b>Sylvain Bauza</b> <<a href="mailto:sbauza@redhat.com" target="_blank">sbauza@redhat.com</a>><br>
Date: 9 January 2015 at 09:17<br>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Ironic] Question about scheduling two instances to same baremetal node<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 09/01/2015 09:01, Alex Xu a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The case is simple: one baremetal node with 1024MB ram, then boot two instances with 512MB ram flavor.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Those two instances will be scheduling to same baremetal node.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The problem is at scheduler side the IronicHostManager will consume all the resources for that node whatever<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">like that, just consume like normal virtual instance. And ResourceTracker will update the resource usage once the<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">instance resource claimed, then scheduler will know there are some free resource on that node, then will try to<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">schedule other new instance to that node.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I take look at that, there is NumInstanceFilter, it will limit how many instance can schedule to one host. So can<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">we just use this filter to finish the goal? The max instance is configured by option 'max_instances_per_host', we<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">can make the virt driver to report how many instances it supported. The ironic driver can just report max_instances_per_host=1.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And libvirt driver can report max_instance_per_host=-1, that means no limit. And then we can just remove the<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IronicHostManager, then make the scheduler side is more simpler. Does make sense? or there are more trap?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mmm, I think I disagree with your proposal. Let me explain by the best I can why :<br>
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tl;dr: Any proposal unless claiming at the scheduler level tends to be wrong<br>
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The ResourceTracker should be only a module for providing stats about compute nodes to the Scheduler.<br>
How the Scheduler is consuming these resources for making a decision should only be a Scheduler thing.<br>
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Here, the problem is that the decision making is also shared with the ResourceTracker because of the claiming system managed by the context manager when booting an instance. It means that we have 2 distinct decision makers for validating a resource.<br>
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Let's stop to be realistic for a moment and discuss about what could mean a decision for something else than a compute node. Ok, let say a volume.<br>
Provided that *something* would report the volume statistics to the Scheduler, that would be the Scheduler which would manage if a volume manager could accept a volume request. There is no sense to validate the decision of the Scheduler on the volume manager,
just maybe doing some error management.<br>
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We know that the current model is kinda racy with Ironic because there is a 2-stage validation (see [1]). I'm not in favor of complexifying the model, but rather put all the claiming logic in the scheduler, which is a longer path to win, but a safier one.<br>
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[1] <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1341420" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1341420</a><br>
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