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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/10/2014 11:22, Angus Salkeld
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:48 PM,
Eoghan Glynn <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> > > IIRC, there is no method for removing
foundation members. So there<br>
> > > are likely a number of people listed who
have moved on to other<br>
> > > activities and are no longer involved
with OpenStack. I'd actually<br>
> > > be quite interested to see the turnout
numbers with voters who<br>
> > > missed the last two elections prior to
this one filtered out.<br>
> ><br>
> > Well, the base electorate for the TC are
active contributors with<br>
> > patches landed to official projects within the
past year, so these<br>
> > are devs getting their code merged but not
interested in voting.<br>
> > This is somewhat different from (though
potentially related to) the<br>
> > "dead weight" foundation membership on the
rolls for board<br>
> > elections.<br>
> ><br>
> > Also, foundation members who have not voted in
two board elections<br>
> > are being removed from the membership now,
from what I understand<br>
> > (we just needed to get to the point where we
had two years worth of<br>
> > board elections in the first place).<br>
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> Thanks, I lost my mind here and confused the board
with the TC.<br>
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> So then my next question is, of those who did not
vote, how many are<br>
> from under-represented companies? A higher
percentage there might point<br>
> to disenfranchisement.<br>
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</span>Well, that we don't know, because the ballots are
anonymized.<br>
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So we can only make a stab at detecting partisan voting
patterns, in<br>
the form a strict preference for candidates from one
company over all<br>
others, but we've no way of knowing whether voters from
those same<br>
companies actually cast the ballots in question.<br>
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<div>I'd love to see a rule that says you can't vote for
people from your own company.<br>
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<div>That would turn things around :-)<br>
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I think that hell would freeze over before that happens... <br>
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Maish<br>
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... i.e. from these data, the conclusion that the
preferred pairs of<br>
candidates were just more popular across-the-board would
be equally<br>
valid.<br>
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Conversely, we've no way of knowing if the voters employed
by those<br>
"under-represented companies" you mention had a higher or
lower turnout<br>
than the average.<br>
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If there is a concern about balanced representation, then
the biggest<br>
single change we could make to address this, IMO, would be
to contest<br>
all TC seats at all elections.<br>
<br>
Staggered terms optimize for continuity, but by amplifying
the majority<br>
voice (if such a thing exists in our case), they tend to
pessimize for<br>
balanced representation.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Eoghan<br>
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