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<p>Hi, Tiwari,</p>
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<p>Great to know you are also trying to address similar issues. For sure we are happy to work out a common solution for these issues.
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<p>I just go through the wiki page, the question for me is "will the Alliance provide/retain current north bound OpenStack API ?". It's very important for the cloud still expose OpenStack API so that the OpenStack API ecosystem will not be lost.</p>
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<p>And currently OpenStack cascading has not covered the hybrid cloud (private cloud and public cloud federation), so your project will be a good supplement.</p>
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<p>May we have a f2f workshop before the formal Paris design summit, so that we can exchange ideas completely. 40 minutes design summit session is not enough for deep diving. PoC team will stay at Paris from Oct.29 to Nov.8.</p>
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<p>Best Regards</p>
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<p>Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang )</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 02 October 2014 0:42<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi Chaoyi,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks for sharing these information.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Sometime back I have stared a project called ¡°Alliance¡± which trying to address the same concerns (see the link below). Alliance service is designed to provide
"Inter-Cloud Resource Federation" which will enable resource sharing across cloud in distributed multi-site OpenStack clouds deployments. This service will run on top of OpenStack Cloud and fabricate different cloud (or data centers) instances in distributed
cloud setup. This service will work closely with OpenStack components (Keystone, Nova, Cinder....) to manage and provision different resources (token, VM, images, network .....). Alliance service will provide abstraction to hide interoperability and integration
complexities from underpinning cloud instance and enable following business use cases.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">- Multi Region Capability</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">- Virtual Private Cloud</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">- Cloud Bursting</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This service will provide true plug & play model for region expansion, VPC like use case, conceptual design can be found at
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Inter_Cloud_Resource_Federation" target="_blank">
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Inter_Cloud_Resource_Federation</a>. We are working on POC using this concept which is in WIP.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I will be happy to coordinate with you on this and try to come up with common solution, seems we both are trying to address same issues.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thoughts?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks,</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 01, 2014 6:56 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thank you very much for your mail about remote cluster hypervisor.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">One of the inspiration for OpenStack cascading is from the remote clustered hypervisor like vCenter. The difference between the remote clustered hypervisor
and OpenStack cascading is that not only Nova involved in the cascading, but also Cinder, Neutron, Ceilometer, and even Glance(optional).</span></p>
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</span><a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution#Inspiration" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution#Inspiration</span></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution#Architecture" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution#Architecture</span></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang )</span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Alex Glikson [GLIKSON@il.ibm.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 October 2014 12:51<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This sounds related to the discussion on the 'Nova clustered hypervisor driver' which started at Juno design summit [1]. Talking to another OpenStack should
be similar to talking to vCenter. The idea was that the Cells support could be refactored around this notion as well.
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</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Not sure whether there have been any active progress with this in Juno, though.</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black">
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</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black">
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</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Alex</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black">
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</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">[1]
</span><a href="http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a0d38e1278182eb09f06e22457d94c0c" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a0d38e1278182eb09f06e22457d94c0c#</span></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black">
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</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">[2]
</span><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-clustered-hypervisor-support" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-clustered-hypervisor-support</span></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black">
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</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #5f5f5f; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">Date: </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">30/09/2014 04:08 PM</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black">
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<tt>Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic OpenStack instance because of these reasons:</tt><br>
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<tt>1) Multiple data centers distributed geographically;</tt><br>
<tt>2) Multi-vendor business policy;</tt><br>
<tt>3) Server nodes scale up modularized from 00's up to million;</tt><br>
<tt>4) Fault and maintenance isolation between zones (only REST interface);</tt><br>
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<tt>At the same time, they also want to integrate these OpenStack instances into one cloud. Instead of proprietary orchestration layer, they want to use standard OpenStack framework for Northbound API compatibility with HEAT/Horizon or other 3rd ecosystem apps.</tt><br>
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<tt>We call this pattern as "OpenStack Cascading", with proposal described by [1][2]. PoC live demo video can be found[3][4].</tt><br>
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<tt>Nova, Cinder, Neutron, Ceilometer and Glance (optional) are involved in the OpenStack cascading.
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<tt>Kindly ask for cross program design summit session to discuss OpenStack cascading and the contribution to Kilo.
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<tt>Kindly invite those who are interested in the OpenStack cascading to work together and contribute it to OpenStack.
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<tt>(I applied for ¡°other projects¡± track [5], but it would be better to have a discussion as a formal cross program session, because many core programs are involved )</tt><br>
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<tt>[1] wiki: </tt></span><a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution" target="_blank"><tt><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution</span></tt></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Gothic'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>
<tt>[2] PoC source code: </tt></span><a href="https://github.com/stackforge/tricircle" target="_blank"><tt><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">https://github.com/stackforge/tricircle</span></tt></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Gothic'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>
<tt>[3] Live demo video at YouTube: </tt></span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSU6PYRz5qY" target="_blank"><tt><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSU6PYRz5qY</span></tt></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Gothic'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>
<tt>[4] Live demo video at Youku (low quality, for those who can't access YouTube)<span lang="JA">£º</span></tt></span><a href="http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzkzNDQ3MDg4.html" target="_blank"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Gothic'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzkzNDQ3MDg4.html</span></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Gothic'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>
<tt>[5] </tt></span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg36395.html" target="_blank"><tt><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg36395.html</span></tt></a><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Gothic'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>
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<tt>Best Regards</tt><br>
<tt>Chaoyi Huang ( Joe Huang )</tt><br>
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