<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jeremy Stanley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fungi@yuggoth.org" target="_blank">fungi@yuggoth.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2014-08-14 09:33:20 -0400 (-0400), Russell Bryant wrote:<br>
[...]<br>
<div class="">> Another issue is that some folks are just fundamentally opposed to<br>
> using Google<br>
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<br>
I think that's a shallow depiction of the issue. I'm sure *some*<br>
people really do just avoid Google specifically, but a bigger<br>
concern should be around the statement our use of those services<br>
presents to the rest of the World. By using commercial solutions<br>
because the open alternatives aren't as useful/featureful/stable, we<br>
rob those projects of a potential larger user community which could<br>
help them achieve greater momentum and eventually dominate their<br>
respective technologies.<br>
<br>
Would we, as a community, rather see OpenStack used in production<br>
and improved when it has bugs/lacks features? Or should users just<br>
view it as a cheap lab platform instead, and then pay for "solid"<br>
proprietary solutions to their production needs? I'm glad a lot of<br>
people think using and improving OpenStack, even when there might<br>
sometimes be easier/simpler closed alternatives, is worth the<br>
long-term investment.<br>
<br>
We, as visible leaders among the greater free software community,<br>
should think very hard when making the choice not to extend this<br>
same courtesy and consideration to other projects who may lack our<br>
extraordinary base of resources. Through our example as a project,<br>
we have the potential to improve things for open/free software<br>
communities far beyond our own.<br>
<br>
Of course I'm not a nova core reviewer and have never attended a<br>
nova mid-cycle meetup, so I really have no say in how you conduct<br>
your remote participation. But I do hope you'll consider,<br>
collectively, that focusing on immediate convenience for your own<br>
community can have negative longer-term consequences as you (whether<br>
consciously or not) promote the use of proprietary solutions to your<br>
needs rather than embracing less convenient free and open options<br>
which may still require improvement.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
Jeremy Stanley<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">​Lots of stuff here, good points, bad points etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">I just want to take the opportunity to state that I have ZERO intention of ever pushing that "if you're on core you must travel anywhere". Â I think it's completely alienating and unfair and frankly kinda surprised it was actually raised. Â </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">For anybody that contributes, works hard and gives great reviews but can't travel to the various Nova events around the world, feel free to check out Cinder. Â We don't care if you meet us in person and we love good contributors regardless of where they live etc.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'courier new',monospace">I could insert snarky comment about "unable to work remotely using technology" and "maybe should choose another project or career" here but I won't. ​</div>
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