<p dir="ltr">+1 Mohammad.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 6, 2014 11:08 PM, "Mohammad Banikazemi" <<a href="mailto:mb@us.ibm.com">mb@us.ibm.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="sans-serif">Yes, indeed. </font><br>
<font face="sans-serif">I do not want to be over dramatic but the discussion on the original </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">"Group Based Policy and the way forward" thread is nothing short of heartbreaking. After months and months of discussions, three presentations at the past three summits, a design session at the last summit, and (most relevant to this thread) the approval of the spec, why are we talking about the merits of the work now? </font><br>
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<font size="1" face="sans-serif">I understand if people think this is not a good idea or this is not a good time. What I do not understand is why these concerns were not raised clearly and openly earlier.</font><br>
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<font size="1" face="sans-serif">Best,</font><br>
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<font size="1" face="sans-serif">Mohammad</font><br>
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<img width="16" height="16" src="cid:1__=0ABBF7BFDFE1C7088f9e8a93df938@us.ibm.com" border="0" alt="Inactive hide details for Stefano Maffulli ---08/06/2014 04:47:21 PM---On Wed 06 Aug 2014 01:21:26 PM PDT, Eugene Nikanorov wro"><font color="#424282" face="sans-serif">Stefano Maffulli ---08/06/2014 04:47:21 PM---On Wed 06 Aug 2014 01:21:26 PM PDT, Eugene Nikanorov wrote: > So I don't think it's fair to blame re</font><br>
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<font size="1" color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif">Date: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">08/06/2014 04:47 PM</font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5F5F5F" face="sans-serif">Subject: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">Re: [openstack-dev] How to improve the specs review process (was Re: [Neutron] Group Based Policy and the way forward)</font><br>
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<tt><font>On Wed 06 Aug 2014 01:21:26 PM PDT, Eugene Nikanorov wrote:<br>
> So I don't think it's fair to blame reviewers here.<br>
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Just want to be super clear: there is no 'blaming' here. This is a<br>
request to regroup and look at why we are having this conversation about<br>
GBP now, this late in cycle, and about such fundamental topics (the<br>
choice of 'endpoint' as name is only one of them), after in-person<br>
conversations over more than one release cycle and summits.<br>
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I am available for the meeting on Monday, Kyle.<br>
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In order to prepare for the meeting we should agree on the scope of the<br>
root cause analysis. I think the problem should be framed around the<br>
message Mark McClain sent, especially the "Why this email" which I quote<br>
below:<br>
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> Our community has been discussing and working on Group Based Policy<br>
> (GBP) for many months. I think the discussion has reached a point<br>
> where we need to openly discuss a few issues before moving forward.<br>
[...]<br>
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I think the fact that this very fair question has been raised so late is<br>
the problem we need to find the cause for. Would you agree?<br>
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We'll use time during the meeting on Monday to use a simple technique to<br>
investigate this deeply, no need to spend time now and via email.<br>
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/stef<br>
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