<div dir="ltr">Angus,<div><br></div><div>Rally is designed as an operations tool. Its purpose is to run a production cloud and give an operator tools and data to profile a production cloud. It is intended as a first of many such tools.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There is a strong support in the community that operations tools should be developed as part of OpenStack and Rally is the first such successful community effort. </div><div><br></div><div>I can envision other tools building a community around them and they too should become part of OpenStack operations tooling. Maybe Operator Tools program would be a better name? </div>
<div><br></div><div> <br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Alex Freedland</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Co-Founder </span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Angus Salkeld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:angus.salkeld@rackspace.com" target="_blank">angus.salkeld@rackspace.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Sun, 2014-07-27 at 07:57 -0700, Sean Dague wrote:<br>
> On 07/26/2014 05:51 PM, Hayes, Graham wrote:<br>
> > On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 12:18 -0400, Sean Dague wrote:<br>
> >> On 07/22/2014 11:58 AM, David Kranz wrote:<br>
> >>> On 07/22/2014 10:44 AM, Sean Dague wrote:<br>
> >>>> Honestly, I'm really not sure I see this as a different program, but is<br>
> >>>> really something that should be folded into the QA program. I feel like<br>
> >>>> a top level effort like this is going to lead to a lot of duplication in<br>
> >>>> the data analysis that's currently going on, as well as functionality<br>
> >>>> for better load driver UX.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> -Sean<br>
> >>> +1<br>
> >>> It will also lead to pointless discussions/arguments about which<br>
> >>> activities are part of "QA" and which are part of<br>
> >>> "Performance and Scalability Testing".<br>
> ><br>
> > I think that those discussions will still take place, it will just be on<br>
> > a per repository basis, instead of a per program one.<br>
> ><br>
> > [snip]<br>
> ><br>
> >><br>
> >> Right, 100% agreed. Rally would remain with it's own repo + review team,<br>
> >> just like grenade.<br>
> >><br>
> >> -Sean<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > Is the concept of a separate review team not the point of a program?<br>
> ><br>
> > In the the thread from Designate's Incubation request Thierry said [1]:<br>
> ><br>
> >> "Programs" just let us bless goals and teams and let them organize<br>
> >> code however they want, with contribution to any code repo under that<br>
> >> umbrella being considered "official" and ATC-status-granting.<br>
> ><br>
> > I do think that this is something that needs to be clarified by the TC -<br>
> > Rally could not get a PTL if they were part of the QA project, but every<br>
> > time we get a program request, the same discussion happens.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think that mission statements can be edited to fit new programs as<br>
> > they occur, and that it is more important to let teams that have been<br>
> > working closely together to stay as a distinct group.<br>
><br>
> My big concern here is that many of the things that these efforts have<br>
> been doing are things we actually want much closer to the base. For<br>
> instance, metrics on Tempest runs.<br>
><br>
> When Rally was first created it had it's own load generator. It took a<br>
> ton of effort to keep the team from duplicating that and instead just<br>
> use some subset of Tempest. Then when measuring showed up, we actually<br>
> said that is something that would be great in Tempest, so whoever ran<br>
> it, be it for Testing, Monitoring, or Performance gathering, would have<br>
> access to that data. But the Rally team went off in a corner and did it<br>
> otherwise. That's caused the QA team to have to go and redo this work<br>
> from scratch with subunit2sql, in a way that can be consumed by multiple<br>
> efforts.<br>
><br>
> So I'm generally -1 to this being a separate effort on the basis that so<br>
> far the team has decided to stay in their own sandbox instead of<br>
> participating actively where many of us thing the functions should be<br>
> added. I also think this isn't like Designate, because this isn't<br>
> intended to be part of the integrated release.<br>
<br>
</div></div>From reading Boris's email it seems like rally will provide a horizon<br>
panel and api to back it (for the operator to kick of performance runs<br>
and view stats). So this does seem like something that would be a<br>
part of the integrated release (if I am reading things correctly).<br>
<br>
Is the QA program happy to extend their scope to include that?<br>
QA could become "Quality Assurance of upstream code and running<br>
OpenStack installations". If not we need to find some other program<br>
for rally.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-Angus<br>
</font></span><div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
><br>
> Of course you could decide to slice up the universe in a completely<br>
> different way, but we have toolchains today, which I think the focus<br>
> should be on participating there.<br>
><br>
> -Sean<br>
><br>
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