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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To clarify, the request is for a new TLS settings API with “default_tls_container_id” & “sni_list”.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If there is a new API, then we would have an object model reflecting this as a separate entity.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The tenant would do the following<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Create a listener with TERMINATED_HTTPS
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Set the TLS settings for the listener using /v2.0/listener/<listenerid>/tlssettings  (if at all we are having some default values this can be reflected
 here)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The only good thing is the separation of the TLS settings out of the listener API.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But, I can see 2 downsides
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The loadbalancer creation is a 2 step procedure
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We cannot enforce certificate attachment as part of the create of listener.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the new API itself has “-1”s then I am perfectly OK with the current object model with default_tls_container_id in listener table.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vijay V.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Evgeny Fedoruk [mailto:EvgenyF@Radware.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Should TLS settings for listener be set through separate API/model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#008800;background:#DDFFDD">Vipsniassociations table:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Line 147 in last patch of the document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Vijay Venkatachalam [<a href="mailto:Vijay.Venkatachalam@citrix.com">mailto:Vijay.Venkatachalam@citrix.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Should TLS settings for listener be set through separate API/model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">>>SNI list is managed by separate entity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What is this entity?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Evgeny Fedoruk [<a href="mailto:EvgenyF@Radware.com">mailto:EvgenyF@Radware.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Should TLS settings for listener be set through separate API/model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">+1 for option 1. SNI list is managed by separate entity, default TLS container is part of a listener object. It will have None value when listener does not
 offloads TLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Managing another entity for 1:0-1 relationship just for future use seems not right to me. Breaking TLS settings apart from listener can be done when needed,
 if needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Evg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Stephen Balukoff [<a href="mailto:sbalukoff@bluebox.net">mailto:sbalukoff@bluebox.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Should TLS settings for listener be set through separate API/model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, so we've got opinions on both sides of the argument here. I'm actually pretty ambivalent about it. Do others have strong opinions on this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Doug Wiegley <<a href="mailto:dougw@a10networks.com" target="_blank">dougw@a10networks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">A single attribute in a 1:1 relationship?  Putting that in a new table sounds like premature optimization to me; design the database change for the future feature
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stephen Balukoff <<a href="mailto:sbalukoff@bluebox.net" target="_blank">sbalukoff@bluebox.net</a>><br>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 23, 2014 at 5:25 PM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Should TLS settings for listener be set through separate API/model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">* Keeping the TLS stuff contained to its own objects means we can have separate development resources on each and not worry as much about overlapping domains.
 (TLS-related knowledge and knowledge of dealing with TCP / UDP listeners are separate knowledge domains. Or at least, the former is a more specialized subset of the latter.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Brandon Logan <<a href="mailto:brandon.logan@rackspace.com" target="_blank">brandon.logan@rackspace.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Putting it back in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 21:10 +0000, Brandon Logan wrote:<br>
> Okay so we've talked a bit about this in IRC and now I'm sending this<br>
> out as an update.  Here are the options with pros and cons that have<br>
> come from that discussion.<br>
><br>
> 1) default_certificate_id is an attribute of the Listener object.<br>
><br>
> Pros:<br>
> -No extra entity needed<br>
><br>
> Cons:<br>
> -May bloat Listener object when more attributes are needed for only TLS<br>
> termination.  Sounds like TLS version and cipher selection will be<br>
> needed attributes in the future.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2) A separate TLS Entity is created that is referenced by the Listener<br>
> object.  This entity at first may only contain a certificate_id that<br>
> references barbican.  Name and description can be allowed as well.<br>
><br>
> Pros:<br>
> -TLS domain specific attributes contained in its own entity<br>
> -Future attributes would just be added to this entity and not bloat the<br>
> Listener object.<br>
><br>
> Cons:<br>
> -It's another entity<br>
><br>
> In IRC we (sbalukoff, myself) seemed to agree option 2 is right way to<br>
> go.  Anyone agree or disagree?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Brandon<br>
><br>
> On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 12:15 -0700, Stephen Balukoff wrote:<br>
> > The separate entity makes sense for certificates participating in an<br>
> > SNI configuration, but probably not so much for the 'default'<br>
> > certificate used when TLS is being terminated.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Vijay: You're also right that other TLS-related attributes will<br>
> > probably get added to the Listener object. This probably makes sense<br>
> > if they apply to the Listener object as a whole. (This includes things<br>
> > like TLS version and cipher selection.)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I don't see much of a point in creating a separate object to contain<br>
> > these fields, since it would have a 1:1 relationship with the<br>
> > Listener. It's true that for non-TLS-terminated Listeners, these<br>
> > fields wouldn't be used, but isn't that already the case in many other<br>
> > objects (not just in the Neutron LBaaS sub project)?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Stephen<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Brandon Logan<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:brandon.logan@rackspace.com" target="_blank">brandon.logan@rackspace.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >         Vijay,<br>
> >         I think the separate entity is still going to happen.  I don't<br>
> >         think it<br>
> >         has remvoed.  Or that is may just be my assumption.<br>
> ><br>
> >         Thanks,<br>
> >         Brandon<br>
> ><br>
> >         On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 15:59 +0000, Vijay Venkatachalam wrote:<br>
> >         > Hi:<br>
> >         ><br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > In the “LBaaS TLS termination capability specification”<br>
> >         proposal<br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > <a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98640/</a><br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > TLS settings like default certificate container id and SNI<br>
> >         cert list are part of the listener properties.<br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > I think it is better to have this as a separate entity so<br>
> >         that the listener properties are clean and is not “corrupted”<br>
> >         with TLS settings.<br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > I liked the original SSL proposal better where TLS settings<br>
> >         was a separate entity.<br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > It is just 2 properties now but in future the TLS settings<br>
> >         would grow and if we are going to introduce a TLS<br>
> >         profile/params/settings entity later, it is better to do it<br>
> >         now (albeit with min properties).<br>
> >         ><br>
> >         > Thanks,<br>
> >         > Vijay V.<br>
> ><br>
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