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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Luke,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Very impressive solution!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I do not think there is a problem to keep agent out of the tree in a short term, but would highly recommend to put it upstream in a longer term.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You will benefit from quite valuable community review. And most important it will allow to keep your code as much as possible aligned with neutron code base.
Once there are some general changes done by other people, your code will be taken into account and won’t be broken accidentally. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would like to mention that there is Modular L2 Agent initiative driven by ML2 team, you may be interested to follow:
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:#333333"><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/modular-l2-agent-outline"><span style="color:#0088CC;text-decoration:none">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/modular-l2-agent-outline</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Irena<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> lukego@gmail.com [mailto:lukego@gmail.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Luke Gorrie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Irena Berezovsky<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][ml2] Too much "shim rest proxy" mechanism drivers in ML2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Irena,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the very interesting perspective!<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 10 June 2014 10:57, Irena Berezovsky <<a href="mailto:irenab@mellanox.com" target="_blank">irenab@mellanox.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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point (~Grizzly Release) was changed to use RPC communication.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is very interesting. I've been involved in OpenStack since the Havana cycle and was not familiar with the old design.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm optimistic about the scalability of our implementation. We have sanity-tested with 300 compute nodes and a 300ms sync interval. I am sure we will find some parts that we need to spend optimization energy on, however.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The other scalability aspect we are being careful of is the cost of individual update operations. (In LinuxBridge that would be the iptables, ebtables, etc commands.) In our implementation the compute nodes preprocess the Neutron config
into a small config file for the local traffic plane and then load that in one atomic operation ("SIGHUP" style). Again, I am sure we will find cases that we need to spend optimization effort on, but the design seems scalable to me thanks to the atomicity.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For concreteness, here is the agent we are running on the DB node to make the Neutron config available:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/SnabbCo/snabbswitch/blob/master/src/designs/neutron/neutron-sync-master">https://github.com/SnabbCo/snabbswitch/blob/master/src/designs/neutron/neutron-sync-master</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and here is the agent that pulls it onto the compute node:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/SnabbCo/snabbswitch/blob/master/src/designs/neutron/neutron-sync-agent">https://github.com/SnabbCo/snabbswitch/blob/master/src/designs/neutron/neutron-sync-agent</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TL;DR we snapshot the config with mysqldump and distribute it with git.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here's the sanity test I referred to: <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msg/snabb-devel/blmDuCgoknc/PP_oMgopiB4J">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/snabb-devel/blmDuCgoknc/PP_oMgopiB4J</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will be glad to report on our experience and what we change based on our deployment experience during the Juno cycle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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sort of agent to handle port update events even though it might not be required in order to bind the port.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">True. Indeed, we do have an agent running on the compute host, and it we are synchronizing it with port updates based on the mechanism described above.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Really what I mean is: Can we keep our agent out-of-tree and apart from ML2 and decide for ourselves how to keep it synchronized (instead of using the MQ)? Is there a precedent for doing things this way in an ML2 mech driver (e.g. one of
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Luke<o:p></o:p></p>
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