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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">There is a good talk happening today at
      2pm @ room B.206 in a Breakout session :<br>
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      "Divide and conquer: Resource Segregation in OpenStack"<br>
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      (I'm sorry, I can't provide the sched.org link, site seems to be
      down)<br>
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      -Sylvain<br>
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      Le 13/05/2014 11:12, Meghal Gosalia a écrit :<br>
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      Is any discussion on this topic scheduled during the summit ?
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      <div>Thanks,</div>
      <div>Meghal</div>
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          <div>On Apr 9, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Sylvain Bauza <<a
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                <div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-07 23:11 GMT+02:00
                  Sylvain Bauza <span dir="ltr">
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-07 18:48
                          GMT+02:00 Day, Phil <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                      Sylvain,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">There
                                      was a similar thread on this
                                      recently – which might be worth
                                      reviewing:   <a
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href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031006.html"
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Some
                                      interesting use cases were posted,
                                      and a I don’t think a conclusion
                                      was reached, which seems to
                                      suggest this might be a good case
                                      for a session in Atlanta.</span></p>
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                          <div>The funny fact is that I was already part
                            of this discussion as owner of a bug related
                            to it (see the original link I provided).</div>
                          <div>That's only when reviewing the code by
                            itself that I found some discrepancies and
                            raised the question here, before committing.</div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Personally
                                    I’m not sure that selecting more
                                    than one AZ really makes a lot of
                                    sense – they are generally objects
                                    which are few in number and large in
                                    scale, so if for example there are 3
                                    AZs and you want to create two
                                    servers in different AZs, does it
                                    really help if you can do the
                                    sequence:</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                <p><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>-<span
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                                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Create
                                    a server in any AZ</span></p>
                                <p><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>-<span
                                        style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times
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                                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Find
                                    the AZ the server is in</span></p>
                                <p><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>-<span
                                        style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times
                                        New Roman'">         
                                      </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Create
                                    a new server in any of the two
                                    remaining AZs</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Rather
                                    than just picking two from the list
                                    to start with ?</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
                                    you envisage a system with many AZs,
                                    and thereby allow users some pretty
                                    find grained choices about where to
                                    place their instances, then I think
                                    you’ll end up with capacity
                                    management issues.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
                                    the use case is more to get some
                                    form of server isolation, then
                                    server-groups might be worth looking
                                    at, as these are dynamic and per
                                    user.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                    can see a case for allowing more
                                    than one set of mutually exclusive
                                    host aggregates – at the moment
                                    that’s a property implemented just
                                    for the set of aggregates that are
                                    designated as AZs, and generalizing
                                    that concept so that there can be
                                    other sets (where host overlap is
                                    allowed between sets, but not within
                                    a set) might be useful.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Phil</span></p>
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                          <div>That's a good point for discussing at the
                            Summit. I don't have yet an opinion on this,
                            I'm just trying to stabilize things now :-)</div>
                          <div>At the moment, I'm pretty close to submit
                            a change which will fix two things :</div>
                          <div> - the decisional will be the same for
                            both adding a server to an aggregate and
                            update metadata from an existing aggregate
                            (there was duplicate code leading to a few
                            differences)</div>
                          <div> - when checking existing AZs for one
                            host, we will also get the aggregates to
                            know if the default AZ is related to an
                            existing aggregate with the same name or
                            just something unrelated</div>
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                  <div>Folks interested in the initial issue can review
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85961/">
                      https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85961/</a> for a
                    proposal to fix.</div>
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                  <div>-Sylvain </div>
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