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<div><font color="#003366"><span></span>Agree with shardy that the meeting structure should be inclusive. Since it's a global project, it would be better to allow people from different time zones to attend the meeting. Of course, PTL be on the scene is most
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<div><font color="#003366">For me, personally, I'm new to Openstack and willing to contribute to Heat. I learned a lot from the website and maillist. And I'm planning to join the IRC meeting from next week for i </font><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;">think
it would be a great help to get involved</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;">. 00:00UTC or 12:00UTC </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;">(it's
8 am or 8 pm here)</span><span style="background-color: window; color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;"> both suit me (and people in the same team with me) well.</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: window; color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">Though there will never be a convenient time for all people, I believe passion would conquer inconvenience:)</span></div>
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<div><font color="#003366">Regards,</font></div>
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<div><font color="#003366">胡瑞丰(Victor)</font></div>
<div><font color="#003366">2014-04-25</font></div>
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<div><b>发件人：</b> <a href="mailto:shardy@redhat.com">Steven Hardy</a></div>
<div><b>发送时间：</b> 2014-04-24 19:17</div>
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<div><b>主题：</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Meeting time redux</div>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 03:12:40PM -0400, Zane Bitter wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> At the beginning of this year we introduced alternating times for</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> the Heat weekly IRC meeting, in the hope that our contributors in</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> Asia would be able to join us. The consensus is that this hasn't</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> worked out as well as we had hoped - even the new time falls at 8am</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> in Beijing, so folks are regularly unable to make the meeting. It</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> also falls at 5pm on the west coast of the US, so folks from there</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> are also regularly unable to make the meeting too. And of course it</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> is in the middle of the night for Europe, so the meeting room looks</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> like a ghost town.</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> </span>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> Since we are in a new development cycle (with the PTL in a different</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> location) and daylight savings has kicked in/out in many places,</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> let's review our options. Here are our choices as I see it:</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> </span>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> * Keep going with the current system or some minor tweak to it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">Do we know why it's not working? 8am and 5pm seem like relatively</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">reasonable times from where I'm sitting, so would tweaking it by a couple</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">of hours make any difference?</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> * Flip the alternate meeting by 12 hours to 1200 UTC. (8pm in China,</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> late night in Oceania, early-morning on the east coast of the US and</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> we lose the rest of the US.)</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> </span>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> * Lose all US-based folks and have a meeting for the rest of the</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> world at around 0700 UTC. (US-based folks include me, so I would</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> have to ask someone else to take care of passing on</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> messages-from-the-PTL.)</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">Personally I think it's important for the PTL to attend most meetings, so</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">-1 on this.</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">> * Abandon the alternating meetings altogether.</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">I'm mildly in favour of this, but probably only for selfish reasons since</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">the current alternating time is bad for me personally ;)</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">I definitely want our meeting structure to be inclusive, but I don't really</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">have a clear idea of how many are exlcuded from participating (i.e those</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">who actually will turn up if we continue alternating), so unless we get</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">feedback from folks saying they will turn up at $alternating_time to solve</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">the ghost town problem, I'm in favour of abandoning.</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">My ￡0.002 :)</span></p>
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<p><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;">Steve</span></p>
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