<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Liz Blanchard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lsurette@redhat.com" target="_blank">lsurette@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Apr 24, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Thierry Carrez <<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org">thierry@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br> > After the UX session(s) there is a "OpenStack clients and SDKs" workshop<br></div>
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> that will go into the implementation details of some of that, but I<br>
> still think that UX should set high-level goals for the whole user<br>
> experience, not just the browser-driven one.<br>
</div>I definitely will plan to attend this session, thanks for the heads up on this</blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is going to be an interesting session in that some of the original proposals were intended to be implementation-level and some conceptual and/or organizational level. </div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">> Note that the people working on OpenStack clients / SDKs also look at<br>
> becoming a program -- it may actually make sense to combine both efforts<br>
> in a single "end user experience" program.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As I've understood some of the criteria used for evaluating how projects belong under programs it included some of the overlap in project developer community. At the moment, there is no overlap that I know of between OSC+the set of SDK projects and Horizon, or the existing UX folk. I believe that ideally there would be some, but it hasn't happened yet.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The Client Tools program proposal is done enough that I'll start an ML discussion later today. That'll be a good place to evaluate potential future options.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</div>I think working closely with the folks who are tackling efforts around OpenStack clients / SDKs makes a lot of sense. I will be sure to encourage conversations between the two groups on how we can work together towards a common UX goal!</blockquote>
</div><div><br></div><div>The things I long for in terms of what should overlap is a place to discuss things like agreements on terminology or how certain resources might be represented outside of the cloud; 'tenant' vs 'project' is a prime example.</div>
<div><br></div><div><div>The ambiguousness of the term 'user' is not helping. It means different things to an SDK and a CLI and a webUI: an operator, a consumer, an app developer and devops/sysadmin, and more.</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>dt</div><div><br></div>-- <br><br>Dean Troyer<br><a href="mailto:dtroyer@gmail.com">dtroyer@gmail.com</a><br>
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