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<p><tt><font size="2">Anita Kuno <anteaya@anteaya.info> wrote on 04/15/2014 09:41:17 AM:<br>
> On 04/15/2014 10:20 AM, Kurt Taylor wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Sorry if you get this twice.<br>
> > <br>
> > Since summit is approaching quickly, I wanted to see if anyone had interest<br>
> > in forming a meetup for 3rd party testing. This would be a group for<br>
> > helping the project cores by helping ourselves and hopefully improving<br>
> > overall CI rollout.<br>
> > <br>
> > Some topics to discuss: I'd at least like to get a standard tag that would<br>
> > help with email filtering, but we could also build a FAQ and documentation<br>
> > contributions to improve the content of the 3rd party testing. We could<br>
> > also document different use cases and best practices for each on how<br>
> > different testers solved problems they encountered for their environment. I<br>
> > don't know how long we would be able to meet, so this may just be an<br>
> > organizational meeting, focusing on how to best share this info.<br>
> > <br>
> > I started an etherpad for discussion topics and eventual agenda here:<br>
> > <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/3rdPartyTesting">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/3rdPartyTesting</a><br>
> > <br>
> > I have not worked out all the details for when and where to meet, but I<br>
> > would be happy to set it up and facilitate the discussion. I wanted to see<br>
> > if there was any interest before I took it any further.<br>
> > <br>
> > Any interest?<br>
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> > <br>
> There is a summit design session proposed to address this:<br>
> <a href="http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/59">http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/59</a><br>
> <br>
> Entitled: Improving Third Party Testing<br>
> <br>
> If you would like to add the information you would like to cover as a<br>
> comment to the proposal that would help ensure the content gets covered.</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font size="2">Thanks for your response. I did not know about this and I am glad this is proposed. It was my intention originally to propose this type of discussion, but after bringing this up in -infra, it was not something the team wanted to discuss in a design session. They suggested a BOF or meetup at the infra table in developer's lounge. I do not know yet if that location is still a possibility or not, as I indicated in my email. </font></tt><br>
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> <br>
> Since the purpose of the design summit is to cover material like this, I<br>
> encourage people to get familiar with the summit sessions that are<br>
> already proposed: <a href="http://summit.openstack.org/">http://summit.openstack.org/</a> and to propose sessions<br>
> that you would like covered if you don't see a current proposal for your<br>
> topic of interest.<br>
> <br>
> Since most of what I saw in the Neutron design summit sessions last year<br>
> is counter to how most other programs use their design summit sessions,<br>
> I encourage you to consider using the design summit session format.<br>
> Neutron design summit sessions end up being more like conference<br>
> presentations and that is not what the design summit was meant to be at all.<br>
> <br>
> Design summit sessions are meant to be group discussion chaired by<br>
> either the proposer of the session or someone else but equally discussed<br>
> by all participants. They are not meant to be a presentation with a<br>
> passive audience.</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font size="2">Yes, I am very familiar with UDS-style design summits and have lead several design sessions in the past on other projects. I think this is a big factor in the enormous success of the OpenStack project.</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font size="2">There is probably some overlap in the proposed design session and the meetup. But, I actually see the meetup as more of a organizational meeting to pull together the developers with experience in CI to share ideas and how we got past the problems we found. </font></tt><br>
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<tt><font size="2">Maybe we can wait for the outcome of the session discussion and determine next steps after summit?</font></tt><br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks again!</font><br>
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Kurt Taylor (krtaylor)<br>
OpenStack Development Lead - PowerKVM CI<br>
IBM Linux Technology Center<br>
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