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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Doug Hellmann <<a href="mailto:doug.hellmann@dreamhost.com">doug.hellmann@dreamhost.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, March 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] does exception need localize or not?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:45 AM, yongli he <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:yongli.he@intel.com" target="_blank">yongli.he@intel.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">refer to :<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations</a><br>
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now some exception use _ and some not. the wiki suggest do not to do that. but i'm not sure.<br>
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what's the correct way?<br>
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<h4><span>What To Translate</span></h4>
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At present the convention is to translate<span> </span><i>all</i><span> </span>user-facing strings. This means API messages, CLI responses, documentation, help text, etc.</p>
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There has been a lack of consensus about the translation of log messages; the current ruling is that while it is not against policy to mark log messages for translation if your project feels strongly about it, translating log messages is not actively encouraged.</p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I've updated the wiki to replace that paragraph with a pointer to
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards#Log_Translation">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards#Log_Translation</a> which explains the log translation rules. We will be adding the job needed to have different log translations during
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Exception text should<span> </span><i>not</i><span> </span>be marked for translation, becuase if an exception occurs there is no guarantee that the translation machinery will be functional.</p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This makes no sense to me. Exceptions should be translated. By far the largest number of errors will be presented to users through the API or through Horizon (which gets them from the API). We will ensure that
the translation code does its best to fall back to the original string if the translation fails.</div>
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<div>I think this question comes up every 3 months, haha ;)</div>
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<div>As we continue to expand all the libraries in <a href="https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt">https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt</a> and knowing that those libraries likely
don't translate there exceptions (probably in the majority of cases, especially in non-openstack/oslo 3rd party libraries) are we chasing a ideal that can not be caught?</div>
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<div>Food for thought,</div>
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<div>-Josh</div>
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