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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D-1n8nCEFurYzvEBxIRfXfffnImcIPwWSctAG-NXonY/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D-1n8nCEFurYzvEBxIRfXfffnImcIPwWSctAG-NXonY/edit?usp=sharing</a> referenced by the Wiki, I have added the section that address the items raised on the last irc meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -Sam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Samuel Bercovici
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Samuel Bercovici; Eugene Nikanorov (enikanorov@mirantis.com); Evgeny Fedoruk; Avishay Balderman<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Object Model discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have added to the wiki page:
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/LoadbalancerInstance/Discussion#1.1_Turning_existing_model_to_logical_model">
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/LoadbalancerInstance/Discussion#1.1_Turning_existing_model_to_logical_model</a> that points to a document that includes the current model + L7 + SSL.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -Sam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Samuel Bercovici
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2014 7:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Samuel Bercovici<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Object Model discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I also agree that the model should be pure logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think that the existing model is almost correct but the pool should be made pure logical. This means that the vip
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">пр</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">pool relationships needs also to become any to any.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eugene, has rightfully pointed that the current “state” management will not handle such relationship well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To me this means that the “state” management is broken and not the model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I will propose an update to the state management in the next few days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -Sam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Mark McClain [<a href="mailto:mmcclain@yahoo-inc.com">mailto:mmcclain@yahoo-inc.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2014 6:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Object Model discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Jay Pipes <<a href="mailto:jaypipes@gmail.com">jaypipes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I disagree on this point. I believe that the more implementation details<br>
bleed into the API, the harder the API is to evolve and improve, and the<br>
less flexible the API becomes.<br>
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I'd personally love to see the next version of the LBaaS API be a<br>
complete breakaway from any implementation specifics and refocus itself<br>
to be a control plane API that is written from the perspective of the<br>
*user* of a load balancing service, not the perspective of developers of<br>
load balancer products.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Jay. We the API needs to be user centric and free of implementation details. One of my concerns I’ve voiced in some of the IRC discussions is that too many implementation details are exposed to the user.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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