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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013/06/12 15:16, Anne Gentle wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM,
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Coufal wrote:<br>
> [...]<br>
<div class="im">> I am not trying to convince anybody
here, I accept the decision 'no' (at<br>
> least for this moment). I just feel that it was not
consensus that most<br>
> of people thinks that this is nonsense. I don't see
any strong reasons<br>
> why not. In time, I believe more people will see
how important it is and<br>
> hopefully OpenStack will recognize UX efforts
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It's certainly not consensus, and I don't think anybody
said this was<br>
nonsense. It's just a delicate balance, and trying to find
the most<br>
sustainable and efficient way to bring UX concerns within
projects. Like<br>
I said, the last thing we want is a fight between UX folks
on one side<br>
asking for stuff to get done and on the other side nobody
in projects<br>
actually caring about getting it done.<br>
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That said, I think you made great arguments for keeping a
leg out and<br>
organize in a cross-project way. After all we have other
projects (like<br>
QA) which do that very successfully, so I'm definitely
willing to<br>
consider UX as a separate program.<br>
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My main concern would be that the UX team is relatively
new (the<br>
launchpad tracker for example was created on Oct 20) and
that we haven't<br>
seen you around enough to see how you would interact with
projects and<br>
get your priorities across. There is no weekly UX team
meetings listed<br>
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target="_blank">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings</a>,
either.<br>
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Programs are about blessing existing teams and efforts
(which already<br>
obtain results), *not* to bootstrap new ones. We look into
the team's<br>
work and results and decide those are essential to the
production of<br>
OpenStack. So my advice to you would be to organize
yourselves as a<br>
team, engage with projects, deliver clear results,
communicate around<br>
those... and then apply again to be a "Program" if you
think that's<br>
still relevant.<br>
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Sure Thierry, it all makes sense and I understand that. I am very
happy to continue in our efforts and that's actually what I wanted
to express that we might ask later.<br>
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Only thing what I want to make sure though is that we have enough
space at design summits, but I will revive this topic closer to the
summit itself.<br>
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<div>I too would really like you all to organize as a team
very similar to how the Security team organizes itself -
very much like what you are doing now. </div>
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<div>It's interesting, the Security team ended up with a
book sprint that produced a book deliverable that is a
very valuable piece of documentation, and that wasn't a
goal going in. So I think that the more you look for
opportunities for UX across projects the more deliverables
you could find that we haven't identified yet. So I really
want to encourage you to keep looking for those areas
where we have need for good experiences. </div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Anne</div>
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Thanks Anne, what the security team ended up is all awesome. I am
eager to find out all the areas where we can help and jump in -
hopefully we will get enough resources in time to cover more and
more issues.<br>
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Cheers<br>
-- Jarda<br>
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