<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Thierry Carrez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org" target="_blank">thierry@openstack.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jaromir Coufal wrote:<br>
> [...]<br>
<div class="im">> I am not trying to convince anybody here, I accept the decision 'no' (at<br>
> least for this moment). I just feel that it was not consensus that most<br>
> of people thinks that this is nonsense. I don't see any strong reasons<br>
> why not. In time, I believe more people will see how important it is and<br>
> hopefully OpenStack will recognize UX efforts officially.<br>
</div>> [...]<br>
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It's certainly not consensus, and I don't think anybody said this was<br>
nonsense. It's just a delicate balance, and trying to find the most<br>
sustainable and efficient way to bring UX concerns within projects. Like<br>
I said, the last thing we want is a fight between UX folks on one side<br>
asking for stuff to get done and on the other side nobody in projects<br>
actually caring about getting it done.<br>
<br>
That said, I think you made great arguments for keeping a leg out and<br>
organize in a cross-project way. After all we have other projects (like<br>
QA) which do that very successfully, so I'm definitely willing to<br>
consider UX as a separate program.<br>
<br>
My main concern would be that the UX team is relatively new (the<br>
launchpad tracker for example was created on Oct 20) and that we haven't<br>
seen you around enough to see how you would interact with projects and<br>
get your priorities across. There is no weekly UX team meetings listed<br>
on <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings</a>, either.<br>
<br>
Programs are about blessing existing teams and efforts (which already<br>
obtain results), *not* to bootstrap new ones. We look into the team's<br>
work and results and decide those are essential to the production of<br>
OpenStack. So my advice to you would be to organize yourselves as a<br>
team, engage with projects, deliver clear results, communicate around<br>
those... and then apply again to be a "Program" if you think that's<br>
still relevant.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I too would really like you all to organize as a team very similar to how the Security team organizes itself - very much like what you are doing now. </div><div><br></div><div>It's interesting, the Security team ended up with a book sprint that produced a book deliverable that is a very valuable piece of documentation, and that wasn't a goal going in. So I think that the more you look for opportunities for UX across projects the more deliverables you could find that we haven't identified yet. So I really want to encourage you to keep looking for those areas where we have need for good experiences. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Anne</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Does that make sense ?<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
--<br>
Thierry Carrez (ttx)<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne Gentle<br><a href="mailto:annegentle@justwriteclick.com" target="_blank">annegentle@justwriteclick.com</a>
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