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<div>Thanks much! Very interesting.</div>
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<div>It's interesting to see the convergence going on here with pypy "greenlet" and cpython getting tulip from guido (and all the eventlet/greenlet variations that already exist). Will be interesting to see how this all works out.<br>
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On Sep 15, 2013, at 3:03 PM, "Alex Gaynor" <<a href="mailto:alex.gaynor@gmail.com">alex.gaynor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The short answer is, PyPy has its own implementation of greenlets, <a href="https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/src/default/lib_pypy/greenlet.py">https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/src/default/lib_pypy/greenlet.py</a> , this is built on top of a module
called <span style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono','DejaVu Sans Mono',Monaco,monospace;font-size:12px;line-height:1.4">_continuation, </span><font color="#555555" face="Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, DejaVu Sans Mono, Monaco, monospace"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px"><a href="http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/stackless.html">http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/stackless.html</a>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Joshua Harlow <span dir="ltr">
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<div style="direction:ltr;font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">Cool,<br>
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Are there any technical docs for how eventlet/greenlet work in PyPy,<br>
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>From my knowledge of greenlet its doing some pretty low level stuff that would seem hard to mirror in PyPy.<br>
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<a href="https://github.com/python-greenlet/greenlet/blob/master/greenlet.c#L9" target="_blank">https://github.com/python-greenlet/greenlet/blob/master/greenlet.c#L9</a><br>
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And the very platform specific stack switching functions @ <a href="https://github.com/python-greenlet/greenlet/tree/master/platform" target="_blank">
https://github.com/python-greenlet/greenlet/tree/master/platform</a><br>
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It would seem like greenlet is pretty tightly coupled to the cpython and its functionality. I'd like to know how it can operate in pypy without major modifications, maybe u know of such a documentation that explains this. I'd be interested in reading that at
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<div style="direction:ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Alex Gaynor [<a href="mailto:alex.gaynor@gmail.com" target="_blank">alex.gaynor@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:18 AM<br>
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<div>Yes eventlet works well on PyPy, both Marconi and Swift use it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Roman Podolyaka <span dir="ltr">
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<div>That's really cool! I believe, performance is not the only benefit we can get from running OpenStack projects on PyPy. We can also improve the overall "correctness" of our code (as PyPy behaves differently with non-closed files, etc), just like compiling
of your C/C++ app using different compilers can show hidden errors.</div>
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<div>And what about eventlet? Does it work well on PyPy? (as it is used in Nova, Neutron, etc)</div>
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<div>Hi all,</div>
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<div>Many of you have probably seen me send review requests in the last few weeks</div>
<div>about adding PyPy support to various OpenStack projects. A few people were</div>
<div>confused by these, so I wanted to fill everyone in on what I'm up to :)</div>
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<div>First, for those who aren't familiar with what PyPy is: PyPy is an</div>
<div>implementation of the Python language which includes a high performance tracing</div>
<div>just-in-time compiler and which is faster than CPython (the reference, and most</div>
<div>widely deployed, implementation) on almost all workloads.</div>
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<div>The current status is:</div>
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<div>Two major projects work, both Marconi and Swift, Marconi is gating against PyPy</div>
<div>already, Swift isn't yet since I needed to fix a few small PyPy bugs and those</div>
<div>aren't in a release yet, expect it soon :)</div>
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<div>In terms of results, I've observed 30% performance improvements on GET</div>
<div>workloads for Swift under PyPy vs. CPython (other workloads haven't been</div>
<div>benchmarked tet). I believe the Marconi folks have also observed some</div>
<div>performance wins, but I'll let them speak to that, I don't have the full</div>
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<div>Many python-clients projects are also working out of the box and gating:</div>
<div>including novaclient, swiftclient, marconiclient, ceilometerclient, heatclient,</div>
<div>and ironicclient!</div>
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<div>There's a few outstanding reviews to add PyPy gating for cinderclient,</div>
<div>troveclient, and glanceclient.</div>
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<div>In terms of future direction:</div>
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<div>I'm going to continue to work on getting more projects running and gating</div>
<div>against PyPy.</div>
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<div>Right now I'm focusing a lot of my attention on improving Swift performance,</div>
<div>particularly under PyPy, but also under CPython.</div>
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<div>I'm hoping some day PyPy will be the default way to deploy OpenStack!</div>
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<div>If you're interested in getting your project running on PyPy, or looking at</div>
<div>performance under it, please let me know, I'm always interested in helping!</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Alex</div>
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