<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Hi,</div><div>For some reason I am unable to access your proceed talk. I am not 100% sure but I think that the voting may be closed. We have weekly scheduling meetings (<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Scheduler_Sub-group_meeting">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Scheduler_Sub-group_meeting</a>). It would be nice if you could attend and it will give you a platform to raise and share ideas with the rest of the guys in the community.</div><div>At the moment the scheduling subgroup is working <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>on our ideas for the design summit sessions. Please see <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions">https://etherpad.openstack.org/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions</a></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Mike Spreitzer <<a href="mailto:mspreitz@us.ibm.com">mspreitz@us.ibm.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> OpenStack Development Mailing List <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:59 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> OpenStack Development Mailing List <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Comments/questions on the instance-group-api-extension blueprint<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Yes, I've seen that material. In my group we have worked larger and more complex examples. I have a proposed breakout session at the Hong Kong summit to talk about one, you might want to vote for it. The URL is
</font><a href="http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/become-a-speaker/TalkDetails/109"><font size="2" face="sans-serif">http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/become-a-speaker/TalkDetails/109</font></a><font size="2" face="sans-serif">
and the title is "Continuous Delivery of Lotus Connections on OpenStack". We used our own technology to do the scheduling (make placement decisions) and orchestration, calling Nova and Quantum to carry out the decisions our software made. Above the OpenStack
infrastructure we used two layers of our own software, one focused on infrastructure and one adding concerns for the software running on that infrastructure. Each used its own language for a whole topology AKA pattern AKA application AKA cluster. For example,
our pattern has 16 VMs running the WebSphere application server, organized into four homogenous groups (members are interchangeable) of four each. For each group, we asked that it both (a) be spread across at least two racks, with no more than half the VMs
on any one rack and (b) have no two VMs on the same hypervisor. You can imagine how this would involve multiple levels of grouping and relationships between groups (and you will probably be surprised by the particulars). We also included information on licensed
products, so that the placement decision can optimize license cost (for the IBM "sub-capacity" licenses, placement of VMs can make a cost difference). Thus, multiple policies per thing. We are now extending that example to include storage, and we are also
working examples with Hadoop.</font> <br><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Regards,</font> <br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Mike</font> <br><br><br><br><font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">From: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">Gary Kotton <<a href="mailto:gkotton@vmware.com">gkotton@vmware.com</a>></font><br><font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">To: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">OpenStack Development Mailing List <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>>,
</font><br><font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Date: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">09/11/2013 06:06 AM</font><br><font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Subject: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Comments/questions on the instance-group-api-extension blueprint</font><br><hr noshade=""><br><br><br><br><br><font size="2" face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>Mike Spreitzer <</font><a href="mailto:mspreitz@us.ibm.com"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>mspreitz@us.ibm.com</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Reply-To: </b>OpenStack Development Mailing List <</font><a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:58 PM<b><br>
To: </b>OpenStack Development Mailing List <</font><a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>[openstack-dev] [heat] Comments/questions on the instance-group-api-extension blueprint</font><br><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">First, I'm a newbie here, wondering: is this the right place for comments/questions on blueprints? Supposing it is...</font><br><br><font size="2" face="Calibri">[Gary Kotton] Yeah, as Russel said this is the correct place</font><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
I am referring to </font><a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension"><font size="2" color="blue" face="sans-serif"><u>https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri"><br></font><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
In my own research group we have experience with a few systems that do something like that, and more (as, indeed, that blueprint explicitly states that it is only the start of a longer roadmap). I would like to highlight a couple of differences that alarm
me. One is the general overlap between groups. I am not saying this is wrong, but as a matter of natural conservatism we have shied away from unnecessary complexities. The only overlap we have done so far is hierarchical nesting. As the instance-group-api-extension
explicitly contemplates groups of groups as a later development, this would cover the overlap that we have needed. On the other hand, we already have multiple "policies" attached to a single group. We have policies for a variety of concerns, so some can
combine completely or somewhat independently. We also have relationships (of various sorts) between groups (as well as between individuals, and between individuals and groups). The policies and relationships, in general, are not simply names but also have
parameters.</font><font size="2" face="Calibri"> </font><br><br><font size="2" face="Calibri">[Gary Kotton] The instance groups was meant to be the first step towards what we had presented in Portland. Please look at the presentation that we gave an this may highlight what the aims were:
</font><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1oDXEab2mjxtY-cvufQ8f4cOHM0vIp4iMyfvZPqg8Ivc/edit?usp=sharing"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1oDXEab2mjxtY-cvufQ8f4cOHM0vIp4iMyfvZPqg8Ivc/edit?usp=sharing</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">.
Sadly for this release we did not manage to get the instance groups through (it was an issue of timing and bad luck). We will hopefully get this though in the first stages of the I cycle and then carry on building on it as it has a huge amount of value for
OpenStack. It will be great if you can also participate in the discussions.</font><br><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
Thanks,</font><font size="2" face="Calibri"> </font><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
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