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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Boris Pavlovic [mailto:boris@pavlovic.me] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 19, 2013 2:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal oslo.db lib<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Flavio, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm sorry if I'm being paranoid, I just think we should first focus on<br>migrating all projects - those that will / should migrate -<br>successfully and then pulling oslo.db out.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Absolutely agree</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Pulling it out during Icehouse won't slow Oslo's db development down.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So the only problem is that is too late for such big changes. Here I am absolutely agree. end of H-3 is not the best time =)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So are you agree with next points? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1) In Havana focus on migrating in all projects to oslo.db code<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[Gary Kotton] It is worth going for. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2) in IceHouse create and move to oslo.db lib<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> [Gary Kotton] I am in favor of this pending the stability of the oslo db code (which is on the right track)</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And are you agree that we should start working around olso.db lib now. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> [Gary Kotton] I am not sure what the effort for this is, but if this is just a matter of preparing it all for the start of Icehouse then cool, go for it. I nonetheless suggest speaking with Mark McLoughlinto try and learn lessons from the process with the common config module </span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span></i></b><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To be able to start switching to it at begin of IceHouse?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And what about Glance patches ?;) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>åheir are ready since <span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black'>Aug 6, 2013 2:41 PM</span> and there is no reviews at all.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Boris Pavlovic<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>---<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mirantis Inc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Flavio Percoco <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" target="_blank">flavio@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19/08/13 14:17 +0400, Boris Pavlovic wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Flavio,<br><br>Agreed. I'd also like to see other project migrated before pulling<br>oslo.db out from oslo-incubator<br><br><br>as I wrote before oslo.db code is used by: Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Ironic,<br>Ceilometer use oslo.db. And we have already patches to switch in Glance to id.<br>And we are woking in Keystone and Heat. <br>Why (nova, neutron, cinder, ironic and ceilometer) is not enough to say that<br>the code is OK?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Because we're talking about the database code here. All projects<br>depend / will depend on it. I wouldn't consider the whole API stable<br>until all projects have successfully migrated to it. There are corner<br>cases that could have been missed and that would require a new oslo.db<br>release - assuming it has been pulled out - for them to be applied to<br>projects using it.<br><br>I'm sorry if I'm being paranoid, I just think we should first focus on<br>migrating all projects - those that will / should migrate -<br>successfully and then pulling oslo.db out.<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hm, I really don't see big problems with migrating to oslo.db lib even in this<br>moment, because in oslo-incubator and in oslo.db is the same code.. Could you<br>explain what problem you see in process of migartion? (For me it is add one<br>more requirments, remove openstack/db/.. folder, switch imports)..<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>AFAIK, doing this will require to:<br><br>1) Set up a new repository<br>2) Make a release / tarball that you could use in the requirements<br>file.<br>3) Change imports on all projects using oslo-incubator db code.<br><br>All the steps above require people to review patches and step 3 needs<br>to be done on 5 projects. In the meantime, you're also submitting<br>patches to the not-yet migrated projects that are based on Oslo's code<br>and those patches, if not yet merged - will also have to be updated.<br><br>My concern is that there's a lot of work yet to be done on this area<br>and I don't think it is ready to be pulled out yet. I'd prefer a<br>migration process similar to oslo.config. All project were using it<br>before it was pulled out and that was done when the API was considered<br>stable.<br><br>Pulling it out during Icehouse won't slow Oslo's db development down.<br>Remaining projects can still be migrated and released during Havanna.<br><br>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>FF<br><br>-- <br>@flaper87<br>Flavio Percoco<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OpenStack-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>