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<div>I agree with this</div>
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<div>The only thing I would add is it would be ideal if the extensions were treated explicitly as extensions. More specifically, if the client documentation made it clear that extension X might not be available across all openstack clouds. That the client currently
sorts the extensions docstrings in with the rest of the core functionality could lead to some confusion down the road. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Craig Vyvial <<a href="mailto:cp16net@gmail.com">cp16net@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>OpenStack Development Mailing List <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:14 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>OpenStack Development Mailing List <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] Novaclient and Extensions<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ok i agree that the user should only have to know 1 thing. The entry point.
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<div style="">Then the discovery of extensions by the client should be api driven by the cloud entry point.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Christopher Yeoh <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:cyeoh@au1.ibm.com" target="_blank">cyeoh@au1.ibm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:37:50 -0800<br>
Monty Taylor <<a href="mailto:mordred@inaugust.com">mordred@inaugust.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 12/17/2012 10:20 PM, Craig Vyvial wrote:<br>
> > I do not think making the client "smart" enough to be able to tell<br>
> > which extensions are available is the right approach. It seems like<br>
> > overkill for the client's responsibility.<br>
> ><br>
> > I maybe reading in to this to far but it seems like if you want to<br>
> > install or enable an extension you should have to install to enable<br>
> > it... aka install python-novaclient-security-groups.<br>
> > Then each extension can be updated maintained separately.<br>
> ><br>
> > But i guess the main draw back I see with this is that then its a<br>
> > pain to "test" this functionality between extensions and core code.<br>
> > But I am sure people/companies have their own custom extensions that<br>
> > have never made it into the core code or never will have already<br>
> > felt some of these pains.<br>
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> Obviously, I agree with Vish here ... but I think that one of the<br>
> places where you and I may be missing each other is in who the<br>
> audience is we are talking about.<br>
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> When you say "if you want to install..." that implies a level of<br>
> agency or understanding that I do not think we should expect from a<br>
> public cloud user. Why would I, as a consumer of an OpenStack based<br>
> public cloud ever "want" to install a novaclient extension module?<br>
> How would I even know I want to do that?<br>
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+1<br>
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Most users would not know that they have to install an extension<br>
and just finding out which extensions they should install would be<br>
difficult for new and inexperienced users. They'd probably just assume<br>
that the functionality they want is not available.<br>
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So I agree we want the client to automatically detect what<br>
extension capabilities can be used. Perhaps even an easy way for them<br>
to see what functionality they could have from nova client if the<br>
corresponding server side support was installed.<br>
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Chris<br>
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