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 but result in more rsync traffic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 related information in a separate encrypt-middleware, such as <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Oleg Gelbukh [mailto:ogelbukh@mirantis.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List; Bhandaru, Malini K<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] Encrypted Objects in Swift<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, Malini<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry for long delay, please see some answers inline. Thanks for your interest and insightful questions and links!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Bhandaru, Malini K <<a href="mailto:malini.k.bhandaru@intel.com" target="_blank">malini.k.bhandaru@intel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Intel is interested in building encryption support for object storage.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our initial exploration resulted in catching the Mirantis blog!  Establishes it is an important feature
 and the time is right.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">     
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Would the Mirantis prototype be open source? Looking forward to its debut.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, currently we're preparing the code and design description for publishing. Please, follow our blog for updates later this week.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Intel’s special interest – achieving encryption speed up using the AES_NI Intel  hardware instructions for encryption speed and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">                                            its open source libraries fast encryption that exploits parallelism and function stitching, and HW register width increases.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/communications/communications-ia-multi-buffer-paper.html" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/communications/communications-ia-multi-buffer-paper.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/communications/communications-ia-cryptographic-paper.html" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/communications/communications-ia-cryptographic-paper.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">     
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">More specifically – what algorithm will you be using for encryption? Will it be user configurable?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The data in motion AES approaches to encryption typically use an initial vector (random for the session) and the key</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And anything that has chaining will result in large changes in the byte stream for a small change in the plain text object, which</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">would result in more network traffic to move the object using rsync. Or are you dismissing the initial vector, and keeping chaining or dismissing it too.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Or are you using a data at rest encryption method?  The Intel library of XTS encryption is in use by True Crypt which offers storage encryption.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://download.intel.com/design/intarch/PAPERS/324310.pdf" target="_blank">
http</a><a href="http://download.intel.com/design/intarch/PAPERS/324310.pdf" target="_blank">://</a><a href="http://download.intel.com/design/intarch/PAPERS/324310.pdf" target="_blank">download.intel.com/design/intarch/PAPERS/324310.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We're focusing on data-at-rest encryption right now, and we're using AES-128-CBC algorithm as a primary method. Thanks for the links, we'll look how to integrate those libs in our work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">     
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Do you see any use cases not covered? Would like to collaborate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">4)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">     
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To provide an additional layer of protection, along with the key mentioned in the Mirantis article, a secondary random-key could be used with each object, possibly XOR-ed
 with the account or container key, to encrypt objects. Thus should result in key-loss/compromise not exposing the data unless the Key Manager is also compromised and these secondary keys get exposed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We're planning on storing IV/salt/secondary key in the container DB for each object. This will help increase overall security of the solution, but will require modification of container-server.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Am sure you have thought of this .. but the key manager itself could use the encrypted storage system to back up its vital data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is an interesting idea, but it generally affects the key storage part of the architecture, which is basically out of scope of our prototype.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">6)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">     
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From your design looks like the key manager is  a separate service from the authentication system (Keystone or other).  Was this to partition functionality and increase availability?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Key manager is a middleware in Swift that talks to the key storage system. We implemented it as driver-based, which means we can easily integrate with any key store, including one integrated into auth system. We want to separate the key-manager
 from any particular auth system supported by Swift to be able to work with all of them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We believe the encryption component with key management could be used in other places within Open Stack, for example booting from encrypted boot volume.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is also very interesting idea. It will probably require modifications to the current prototype implementation of key manager, of course. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">8)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">     
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also believe the Keystone enhancements under discussion– “Trust”/delegation
<a href="http://wiki.openstack.org/keystone/Delegation" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstack.org/keystone/Delegation</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">would be useful for handing off access to encrypted objects, say for a one time  use, or limited period (use case: pay-per-view video) to an application that would stream the
 media content.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Malini</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Oleg Gelbukh [mailto:<a href="mailto:ogelbukh@mirantis.com" target="_blank">ogelbukh@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] Encrypted Objects in Swift</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes, we have the prototype implementation of this feature waiting for publication. I believe we'll be able to publish it in a week or so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Do you have some specific interest in this development? We greatly appreciate any feedback, including questions and example use cases.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Oleg Gelbukh<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Mirantis Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Bhandaru, Malini K <<a href="mailto:malini.k.bhandaru@intel.com" target="_blank">malini.k.bhandaru@intel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello All!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is there development effort associated with
<a href="http://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-swift-encryption-architecture/" target="_blank">
http://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-swift-encryption-architecture/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#888888">Malini</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oleg Gelbukh<o:p></o:p></p>
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