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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This becomes over relying on shared code and will need addition extension points in addition to the obvious ones discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The current extension model (without a shared schedule) is quite simple in that it does all the Quantum-LB API handling and then delegate to the specific domain
of the LB vendor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This for in our case (Radware) will allow us start developing fairly soon without any shared basic framework blocking us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Such a shared scheduler creates another contention point as it makes all vendors dependent on it to achieve all the needed different logics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am inclined at this stage to spend time on this and would reject a decision that will make this logic a must have step.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On the other hand, I think the if someone wishes to spend time developing a scheduler algorithm that can be reused by Drivers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Driver developers (including probably the HAProxy driver) can opt to use this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This both allows a shared infrastructure but without making everyone be dependent on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If in future releases we get to a stage that such a shared scheduler logic is capable to handle all vendors use cases, we can always promote it be implemented
in another place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -Sam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Eugene Nikanorov [mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum][LBaaS] Selecting an LBaaS device given a service type<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Salvatore,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for detailed reply.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm going to explain my idea in more detain with pseudocode.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">See my comments inline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Salvatore Orlando <<a href="mailto:sorlando@nicira.com" target="_blank">sorlando@nicira.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">My only remark is that in my opinion having a 'global' LB scheduler that will work across all drivers is definitely valuable, but probably not necessary. If I were to set the priority of this feature, I would
put it on "wishlist" for Grizzly. And this for the several reasons:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">- as already said in this thread, it is not easy to model features and device capabilities in an agnostic way.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Capabilities are not device-agnostic, for sure.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some part of device database model is common and generic, and some may be stored in "extra" fields which are used by device-specific code.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm trying to design scheduler as extensible device-agnostic<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>(and, in fact, service-type-agnostic)<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>framework, where we will
implement scheduling logic for LB and, going deeper, some device-specific aspects of LB scheduling.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Once again, I think that LB scheduling algorithm should be generic and also, configurable (e.g. you may write your own algorithm and make scheduler use it).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This, first of all, framework will allow us to make some stub like scheduling on first available device, e.g., something like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">get_device_for_vip(vip)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span>for device in devices:<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> if is_good(device, vip):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>return device<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When I say, service type and device agnostic framework, I mean that all logic is hidden by just a few generic calls like the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">device_info = get_device_for_resource(resource)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">which could be implemented as:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">get_device_for_resource(resource)<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span> return scheduling_drivers[resource.service_type].get_device_for_resource(resource)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In turn,<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>scheduling_driver.get_device_for_resource(resource) may be our LB scheduling:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">class LBScheduler:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>device_handlers = [list of classes for each device type, which can match VIP requirements to device caps and status]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> get_device_for_vip(vip)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span>for device in devices:<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> if device_handlers[device.type].is_good(device, vip):<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>return device<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may notice that scheduler component itself is quite thin layer which serves several purposes:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) extensible and configurable:<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> - you add service types like you add plugins to quantum<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
</span> - you add drivers to let generic algorithm have better understanding of particular device of particular type.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) synchronous. Choosing device is one fast synch. operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3) The code itself is just routing resource to corresponding logic.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think these are both good features and easy to implement.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That may save lots of refactoring and redesigning when it'll come to other advanced services.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">- drivers apparently will be more than a simple "actuator", but will have their own logic. I can see for instance at least three different drivers families: i) hardware load balancers, ii) contextualized hardware
load balancers (hw appliances where you create virtual LB appliances), and iii) virtualized load balancers, that could be spawn, for instance, using nova. What would be the criteria for choosing a virtual appliance versus allocating a VIP on a hardware one?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That's what I'm trying to avoid: some drivers will be "simple actuators", some will have their own logic.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the question about criteria: good question :) But it, in my opinion, a bit unrelated to the scheduling architecture, e.g. it is actual whichever choice we make.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">- In this Grizzly release we won't probably have a huge amount of drivers. Or probably we'll have the drivers, but Quantum LB service, being experimental, will probably be deployed with no more than one or two
drivers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">Another interesting point in my opinion is that this scheduling logic is part of the LB plugin we're implementing for Grizzly, not part of the DB model supporting the tenant API. There will be, of course, model
classes for device management, but they (and all the logic for managing them) should be separate from the modules which implement the API.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That's for sure. In fact we've currently thinking of scheduling and device management as separate mandatory plugin which will provide it's functionality to other advanced service plugins.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">My argument here is not that we should not have a global scheduler; I'm just saying I have the impression that there are some important details which are not yet completely fleshed out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>I understand that, and i just want to make this details affect particular code (drivers, algorithms), but not whole architecture.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">Nevertheless, driver-level scheduling is valuable too, and probably easier to implement. I wouldn't disregard, in the long run, having a two-step process:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">Step 1 - Quantum LB plugin schedules drivers according either to service_type required by the user or request features</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">Step 2 - Driver selects device according to capabilities</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Questions here:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) If driver selects device, is it mandatory for all drivers to provide such functionality?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) Where device database is stored? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is mandatory for driver to be able to select a device, should device database be driver-specific, e.g. each driver has it's own?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Will drivers access single database remotely? Remember we decided that drivers run within agent, and there could be several agents running. Driver of which agent instance should be responsible for scheduling?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it's not mandatory for driver, then some scheduling logic will be in generic scheduler, some in drivers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In fact, any option of above brings tons of coding and testing complexity when we start to answer these questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">but to Sam’s point, a common scheduler might not have enough visibility or understanding of device
specifics/limitations in order to “correctly” pick the right device. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Saying this you assume that driver has such understanding, and even that might not be the case.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This boils down to defining what a driver is. If it has to be a simple "actuator" (I don't remember the name it had in Atlas), then it makes perfectly sense to do the scheduling in the service, as the driver just executes the LB operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In fact, we decided that once, that driver is simple and synchronous that maps generic LB model to device-specific.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But by saying that "driver may not have understanding" I mean that in some cases we need an extended status of the device to know its "rating" in scheduling. Example: N of deployed VIPs (may be hard to find out for the driver), current
connections, preconfigured device limits; some of these could be got from device, some are known at device DB.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In fact, in order to avoid that, scheduler should contain:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1) all necessary logic to make a decision (logic may be device-specific, e.g. different for different kinds of devices, or even different instances of the same device type). In that case scheduling
becomes simple fast operation: read data from DB - make choice - write to DB.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2) active device monitoring: that is needed for "visibility and understanding", it can be device-specific. It is performed by scheduler using it's device database and using device-specific
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The idea behind such scheme is the same as scheduling in nova. Unlike nova we don't have devices reporting their status to the scheduler, so we need to poll them proactively.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#663366">I am not sure I agree on this statement. Scheduling in nova is a decision which takes into account a limited set of capabilities, and then picks the first node with enough resources. It does not select the "best"
one - though I concede you can just replace the scheduling algorithm with another that select the best node. However, it assumes all nodes are identical. Instead here we're not distinguishing only on capabilities but also on features. And the concept of capability
too might be quite different across drivers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Scheduling in nova is done by scheduling drivers (which in that context means pluggable scheduling algorithms), you know. There is "chance" driver that picks host randomly, there is "least_cost" driver that looks into node's load and status
and applies more complex algorithm to make a decision.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is exactly what I'd like to see in our scheduler. Make framework that will allow primitive implementation while leaving door open to more complex ones.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, it's probably down to me not understanding how you are planning to design this scheduler. For instance how it would select between creating a VIP on a physical load balancer, or spanning a virtual appliance and create the VIP on
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span>It's a good question. Regarding this particular choice: my idea is that scheduler doesn't make such decision at all.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It doesn't operate on yet non-existing devices. In order to insert VM LB into consideration, user needs to launch it and register as a device.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may argue that it is additional actions user will need to take. But what is on other hand?<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we let scheduler to make such decision, that it should also be capable of doing the following:<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- spawn an instance of VM LB (tenant should also provide image id to do so, it should also has its reflection in tenant API, which we don't have at the moment)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- scheduling can't be synchronous operation. That will affect whole architecture, complicating it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- user will need to pass some device-management-specific info (image id) to device-management unaware Tenant API.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry for the long email, you're probably tired of reading it :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But I think this is important discussion and worth covering in upcoming LBaaS meetings; may be it's worth to setup a meeting on irc for that topic specifically.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eugene.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">What do you think?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Eugene.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Ilya Shakhat <<a href="mailto:ishakhat@mirantis.com" target="_blank">ishakhat@mirantis.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sam, Youcef,<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your point makes sense. I tried to make "scheduler" common, but it really looks like driver should participate in decision making.<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ilya<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2012/11/30 Samuel Bercovici <<a href="mailto:SamuelB@radware.com" target="_blank">SamuelB@radware.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ilya,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I concur with Youcef.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Sam.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Youcef Laribi [mailto:<a href="mailto:Youcef.Laribi@eu.citrix.com" target="_blank">Youcef.Laribi@eu.citrix.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 3:57 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum][LBaaS] Selecting an LBaaS device given a service type<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ilya,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let’s first separate device on-boarding and management from the “scheduler” discussion. These are
separate functions in the system, and we’ll keep scheduler as the component that picks the driver/device (and we can argue separately and decide whether this is a common component to all vendors or a vendor-specific component, whether it resides in the plugin
or in the driver, etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now to come back to the scheduler discussion, it might seem that a scheduler can be common to all
drivers would work fine, but to Sam’s point, a common scheduler might not have enough visibility or understanding of device specifics/limitations in order to “correctly” pick the right device. For example, some vendors have a limit of vlans per interface,
or cannot support overlapping IPs, other vendor devices are meshed together in a cluster or a pool and there are optimal ways to distribute VIPs or networks in those setups, that a common scheduler wouldn’t understand. That’s why I previously said that the
scheduler (“placement component”) should pick the driver, and let the driver pick a specific device, that way each vendor is responsible for their own allocation strategy on their devices. Or at least the driver should have an input into the scheduler decision,
so the scheduler doesn’t pick the wrong device.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On the admin/operator APIs used for device on-boarding and management, we need to initiate a separate
thread, and discuss whether this be implemented as a separate plugin than the LBaaS plugin, or we extend the LBaaS plugin to also support a provider/admin API? And what is the role of LBaaS agent/driver in the device on-boarding process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Youcef
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ilya Shakhat [<a href="mailto:ishakhat@mirantis.com" target="_blank">mailto:ishakhat@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum][LBaaS] Selecting an LBaaS device given a service type</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Just a small summary of our discussion. We have the following<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>components:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>*aaS plugins - do the logic related to services. Plugins know service data model only and don't hold information about devices. When Plugin needs to deploy any changes, it calls Scheduler.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Scheduler ("placement component") - binds services to devices. It has API to manage devices (similar to provider api in old LBaaS). Scheduler knows how to find device by service_type and has DB to store them. When it gets request from Plugin, it finds corresponding
device and forwards request to Agent<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Agent - dispatches commands to drivers. Agent holds collection of drivers and knows how to dispatch message to them<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Drivers - translate service model to device-specific.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Both Scheduler and Agent are common for all types of services. The logic related to load balancing is implemented as drivers.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Please see<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><a href="http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/LBaaS/Architecture/Scheduler" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/LBaaS/Architecture/Scheduler</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2012/11/28 Eugene Nikanorov <<a href="mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">enikanorov@mirantis.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Youcef Laribi <<a href="mailto:Youcef.Laribi@eu.citrix.com" target="_blank">Youcef.Laribi@eu.citrix.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Changing the subject line (was: Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud)…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Eugene,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let’s make sure we agree on the assumptions:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">LBaaS Plugin has a set of drivers (vendor-specific). Drivers run in the LBaaS agent process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Each driver (provider in Salvatore’s terminology) is registered against a service type (yes, service type can include LB drivers, firewall drivers, etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There can be several LBaaS drivers registered against the same service type (e.g. “high-performance LB” service type).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">That probably needs to be clarified in more detail, but it does make sense. As far as I understand there is exactly 1 driver per service type, but there could be several service
types referencing the same driver (like you mentioned, "high-perf-lb", "low-cost-lb", etc)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If these assumptions are incorrect or need to be clarified further, let’s start by doing this first
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now, let’s imagine we have a component in the system whose job is to pick a driver/provider (device
type) and a device </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(device id) given a certain service type. We will call this component the “placement component” (it’s
not necessarily a separate process like the scheduler, and can be part of the plugin, the agent or the driver, it doesn’t matter for this discussion at this stage).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'd still prefer to call it a scheduler even though it will be a part of our plugin or separate component.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The Placement Component needs to choose a device that can load-balance traffic coming from network
A (where the VIP is) to VMs residing on Network B (pool’s network). In order to do this, the Placement Component needs to be aware of the capabilities of each driver/provider and can follow a certain strategy of device allocation that might take into account
some of the following constraints. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - Some device types are physical appliances, others are virtual appliances running on Nova. The
driver might prefer one or the other if both satisfy the service type.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - Some device types have a fixed number of devices (e.g. physical appliances), while other devices
can be created at will whenever needed (e.g. HA-Proxy VMs).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - Some device types can host a high number of VIPs, others can host a smaller number.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed. Typically such factors are accounted during scheduling process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - Given a choice between multiple device types that satisfy the same service type, preference could
be given to a device that is already wired to network A and network B. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Not sure that this is necessary, but that could be an option.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - Given a choice between several equivalent devices (possibly of different device types), the least
loaded one is chosen.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - A placement policy could be to group all VIPs belonging to the same tenant on the same device
whenever possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - A placement policy could be to group all VIPs belonging to the same network on the same device.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">All these are legitimate placement strategies/algorithms, and our placement component might be very
basic or very sophisticated, but we can hide this from the rest of the system. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nova has different scheduling drivers for this. We can use same approach as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now let's assume that Placement component working through some combination of these rules, has finally
chosen a driver/provider (e.g. HA-Proxy) and a specific device (HA-Proxy device 1) or it decided to create a new device in a driver (spawned new HA-Proxy VM, which is now HA-Proxy device 2). Now it needs to wire the chosen device to Quantum Network A and Network
B (if it's not already wired to these networks). This requires the Placement Component to call Quantum to do the wiring (we need to figure out the interface between the 2). If the device is a Nova VM, then this is easy as it's done like for any other VM.
If the device is physical then this depends on the L2 switch technology used in the Quantum service (VLAN, Linux-Bridge, etc.): the physical device (or a proxy of it) needs to run a Quantum L2 agent in order to wire the device correctly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">After all this is done, the device is ready to be configured with a VIP. The Placement Component
can return the driver, device_id (and possibly other config data, like the address chosen for the VIP) to the LBaaS plugin, which proceeds to call the LBaaS agent in order to create the VIP on this device.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If we can understand what are the tasks of the “placement component” and the interactions this component
needs to have with other components, then it’s easier to figure out where it should run.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Recently we discussed an idea of separate plugin performing device management and scheduling which will be a utility plugin for other service plugins (not only lbaas).<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think we'll need at least some simple form of this component within our lbaas efforts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Youcef</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Eugene Nikanorov [mailto:<a href="mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">enikanorov@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 26, 2012 10:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum][LBaaS] Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Youcef,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Driver doesn't "choose" device-specific info, driver is device-specific itself.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">When we send request to the agent, we need to specify which device to use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So once the<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>user have chosen device type via service_type on VIP creation, Quantum not only should associate VIP with
device type, but also it should choose particular instance of that device type to deploy the VIP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The process of choosing the instance is called scheduling. Unlike nova it's unreasonable for LBaaS to have separate scheduler service, thus it makes sense to have them built<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>in
the plugin.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think we should not do this on agent since it doesn't have (and should not have) device database.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Not should it access quantum's database directly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So overall workflow will look like the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1. Add a device (type, physical info) to device registry (this is a part of Provider API. Call to Quantum made by cloud provider in case of shared devices, or by tenant in case
of private VM balancers)<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2. Create a VIP, specifying service type (=device type) (call by tenant),<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">3. Choose device of specified type, associate the VIP with the device (made by Quantum/Plugin)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">4. Send message with (logical VIP info, device_type, physical device info) to LBaaS Agent (made by<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>Quantum/Plugin)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">5. Communicate with particular device using driver according to device_type (LBaaS<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>Agent)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Any CRUD request processed by Agent should be supplied by device type and device parameters.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You may think of alternative approach where device registry is held by the Agent or even driver, but this approach has the next disadvantages:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">- Scheduling goes to Agent or Driver and thus Agent/Driver should store VIP-device association while VIP is a "foreign" object for the Agent/Driver.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">- If we go with multiple agents for large deployments, we'll need to sync their device databases<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">- Device locking will be complicated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">- If Agents will have non-intersecting sets of devices in their registries than scheduling will be complicated or not possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Please share you thoughts on this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Eugene.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Youcef Laribi <<a href="mailto:Youcef.Laribi@eu.citrix.com" target="_blank">Youcef.Laribi@eu.citrix.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Eugene, Leon,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Could we have the LBaaS plugin choose the “driver” based on service_type info, and then it’s the
driver which choose the “device”? The driver can obviously have its own DB model where it stores device-specific info.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Youcef</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dan Wendlandt [mailto:<a href="mailto:dan@nicira.com" target="_blank">dan@nicira.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 26, 2012 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leon Cui<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List; Salvatore Orlando<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] </span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">答复</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">答复</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">答复</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">答复</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">:
</span><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">答复</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">: Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Leon Cui <<a href="mailto:lcui@vmware.com" target="_blank">lcui@vmware.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Eugene,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">When did you change get merged into master? I did rebase on last Friday which supposed to be your
latest code, but anyway I’m planning to do it again today. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for your reminder that I need to include device mgmt. into DB model. Need to look at Salvatore’s
change on ServiceType.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It seems to me that each LB plugin should be able to define its own DB models for "device mgmt" (e.g., device address/credentials/etc.), as different plugins may have different
strategies for how they manage devices. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span>The usual model is that plugins can define additional models/tables to manage entities that are specific to that plugin.
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>This is similar to how we didn't back the notion of a "vlan" into the DB model for "core plugins", since not all plugins will use vlans.
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>If you don't go down this route, you end up with a messy DB model as everyone keeps adding columns for items that only a particular plugin needs to track.
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">发件人</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Eugene Nikanorov [mailto:<a href="mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">enikanorov@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b><span lang="ZH-CN">发送时间</span>:</b> 2012<span lang="ZH-CN">年</span>11<span lang="ZH-CN">月</span>26<span lang="ZH-CN">日</span> 4:29</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="ZH-CN">收件人</span>:</b> Leon Cui<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">抄送</span>:</b> Ilya Shakhat; Sachin Thakkar; Oleg Bondarev; Salvatore Orlando; Dan Wendlandt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ZH-CN">主题</span></b><b>:</b> Re:
<span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: <span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: <span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>:
<span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Leon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks for sending me the patch.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I've looked at it briefly, there is<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>one major thing I was able to identify:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In order to couple things together (plugin, agent, drivers), we need to add device management at least to DB model.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In particular, each vip should have a reference to the device (which has a type and address/credentials).<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This information is passed in each agent notification message.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This part is missing in current design blueprints but i think we need to add it before we put the code on review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Probably it will also depend on Salvatore's ServiceTypes part.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Also I see that your patch is based on some of my outdated patches.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My code was recently merged into the master so you can rebase on master using only Oleg's patch.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Eugene.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Leon Cui <<a href="mailto:lcui@vmware.com" target="_blank">lcui@vmware.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Eugene,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m still waiting for approval as openstack contributor. For now I simply attached the patch file
that you might want to take a look first. Once I got the approval, I’ll try to post the view asap.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">发件人</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Eugene Nikanorov [mailto:<a href="mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">enikanorov@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b><span lang="ZH-CN">发送时间</span>:</b> 2012<span lang="ZH-CN">年</span>11<span lang="ZH-CN">月</span>20<span lang="ZH-CN">日</span> 22:57<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">收件人</span>:</b> Leon Cui<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">抄送</span>:</b> Ilya Shakhat; Sachin Thakkar; Oleg Bondarev; Salvatore Orlando; Dan Wendlandt<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">主题</span>:</b> Re: <span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: <span lang="ZH-CN">
答复</span>: <span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Leon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'll take agent and rpc parts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have registered<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/lbaas-agent-and-rpc" target="_blank">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/lbaas-agent-and-rpc</a>
to track this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Eugene.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Leon Cui <<a href="mailto:lcui@vmware.com" target="_blank">lcui@vmware.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Eugene,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for your suggestion. It looks good to me. I’ll work out the UT first, and then align the
class model to the diagram as you suggested.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">发件人</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Eugene Nikanorov [mailto:<a href="mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">enikanorov@mirantis.com</a>]
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<b><span lang="ZH-CN">发送时间</span>:</b> 2012<span lang="ZH-CN">年</span>11<span lang="ZH-CN">月</span>20<span lang="ZH-CN">日</span> 17:32</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="ZH-CN">收件人</span>:</b> Leon Cui<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">抄送</span>:</b> Ilya Shakhat; Sachin Thakkar; Oleg Bondarev; Salvatore Orlando<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ZH-CN">主题</span></b><b>:</b> Re:
<span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: <span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white">replying to all...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white">Leon,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">I think </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#222222">tests/unit/test_db_plugin.py is right code to refer when writing unit tests for db
code. The only thing is that unit tests written in test_db_plugin.py are a bit generic, e.g. the backend plugin is specified in particular plugin's UTs which inherit from QuantumDbPluginV2TestCase. I think UTs for balancer plugin may be more specific, testing </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">LoadbalancerPluginDb
class.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Since you need dababase utility methods from QuantumDbPluginV2 then it's LoadbalancerPluginDb which should inherit from such QuantumDBBase (or whatever you call it), so overall diagram
will look like:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">ServicePluginBase</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> |</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">LoadBalancerPluginBase </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> |</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> | QuantumDBBase </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> | |</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">LoadBalancerPlugin <---------- LoadBalancerPluginDb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222">Eugene.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Leon Cui <<a href="mailto:lcui@vmware.com" target="_blank">lcui@vmware.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Eugene,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for your suggestion. Please see my comments inline.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One more question: I’m writing the unit test, mainly to verify the database functionalities for LB
CRUD. Do you think tests/unit/test_db_plugin.py is the right test code that I should refer to? Any good suggestions on this front?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Leon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-size:10.0pt">发件人</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Eugene Nikanorov [mailto:<a href="mailto:enikanorov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">enikanorov@mirantis.com</a>]
<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">发送时间</span>:</b> 2012<span lang="ZH-CN">年</span>11<span lang="ZH-CN">月</span>20<span lang="ZH-CN">日</span> 16:44<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">收件人</span>:</b> Leon Cui<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">抄送</span>:</b> Ilya Shakhat; Sachin Thakkar; Oleg Bondarev; Salvatore Orlando<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">主题</span>:</b> Re: <span lang="ZH-CN">答复</span>: Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Leon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">A few thoughts on your diagram.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Please consider the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1) If you want something from QuantumDbPluginV2 and you feel it may be common plugin functionality - you need to extract it to a separate class, something like QuantumPluginBase,
and inherit QuantumDBPluginV2 from this class, ServicePluginBase should inherit from that class as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">[Leon] I need some dababase utility methods from QuantumDbPluginV2.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D">
Abstract to a separate class could be a good idea. But I<span lang="ZH-CN">’</span>m not sure if it<span lang="ZH-CN">’</span>s a good idea to let ServicePluginBase to inherit from this class. ServicePluginBase is an abstract class for service plugin service
(quantum manager) to use. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2) LoadBalancerPluginBase imho should inherit from ServicePluginBase<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Leon] Why it needs to inherit from ServicePluginBase? LoadBalancerPluginBase defines the loadbalancer
extension APIs. I think we just make sure LoadbalancerPlugin inherits from both classes as below:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">ServicePluginBase</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> QuantumPluginDbBase</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D">
LoadbalancerPluginBase</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> |</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D">
|</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> |</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> ----------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> |</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> LoadbalancerPlugin</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D">
------ LoadbalancerPluginDb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">LoadbalancerPlugin will contain the LoadbalancerPluginDb instance for database access.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">3) Depending on what you need from<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>QuantumDbPluginV2/QuantumPluginBase, this may lead to the following inheritance sequence:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">QuantumPluginBase<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span> |<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">ServicePluginBase<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span> |<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">LoadBalancerPluginBase<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span> |<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">LoadBalancerPluginDb<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span> |<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">LoadBalancerPlugin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Also, I think that<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPlugin should not inherit<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPluginDb.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unlike core plugins where it could make sense, I'd prefer to see<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPluginDb to be a part of<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPlugin.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I mean<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPlugin implements<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>"has a"<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPluginDb<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>
instead of "is a" relation.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The reason for this is that<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPlugin<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>provides CRUD
implementation which doesn't directly map to DB operations implemented in<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPluginDb.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">E.g. my idea is:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">LoadBalancerPlugin - CRUD, validation, calling<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span>LoadBalancerPluginDb, sending/receiving messages to agent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">LoadBalancerPluginDb - DB access.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Eugene.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Leon Cui <<a href="mailto:lcui@vmware.com" target="_blank">lcui@vmware.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Ilya,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">R</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ight now I took Eugene’s change
under review (</span><span style="color:#003300"><a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15733/" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15733/</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">) and am developing
the database access logic and plugin skeleton based on that service plugin mechanism.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<span style="color:#1F497D">The class model is illustrated in the below diagram:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">QuantumDbPluginV2: contains a set of generic quantum database access methods. I<span lang="ZH-CN">’</span>m not sure if we really want to inherit from this class but I<span lang="ZH-CN">’</span>d like to leverage the methods
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">LoadBalancerPluginDb: This the main part I<span lang="ZH-CN">’</span>m coding on which wrap the Lbaas database model and CRUD operation against the database.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="ZH-CN">发送时间</span>:</b> 2012<span lang="ZH-CN">年</span>11<span lang="ZH-CN">月</span>19<span lang="ZH-CN">日</span> 22:08<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">收件人</span>:</b> Sachin Thakkar; Leon Cui<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">抄送</span>:</b> Eugene Nikanorov; Oleg Bondarev<br>
<b><span lang="ZH-CN">主题</span>:</b> Progress on lbaas-plugin-api-crud</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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