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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Gary. I responded to your review request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Gary Kotton [mailto:gkotton@redhat.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum] Agents and configuration files<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 07/25/2012 11:02 PM, Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat) wrote: <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks Bob for bringing this up. The following option you stated sounds good to me:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“to have a variable in quantum.conf specify which plugin-specific .ini file(s) need(s)”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To take it one step further, could this variable be pointed to a directory name? That way it would require a single configuration in the quantum.conf, and all the ini files
in that directory could be loaded.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Sadly this is not supported by the common config code at the moment. The fact that we are using the common configuration code enables the application to pass a number of different configuration files via the command line options.<br>
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In my opinion one of the nice things about the common configuration is that it give the user a lot of flexibility. There may be some who want to have all of the information in one configuration file - for example quantum.conf. Others may want to preserve the
same format as today. Both of these are supported. By default we will be using the latter to support backward compatibility.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">~Sumit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum] Agents and configuration files</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Robert Kukura <<a href="mailto:rkukura@redhat.com" target="_blank">rkukura@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 07/24/2012 01:24 PM, Gary Kotton wrote:<br>
> Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">> I have made a first patch - <a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10234" target="_blank">
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10234</a>. It<br>
> was actually simpler than I had expected. By a fluke the change also<br>
> imported better logging for the agents. This should also move to the<br>
> openstack-common logging.<br>
> I still need to do some additional work:<br>
> 1. ensure agent tests are OK<br>
> 2. update devstack to support the configurations<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have begun reviewing patch set 5, and so far it looks good. I'd like<br>
to see this merged quickly to resolve the plugin unit test issues<br>
currently on master.<br>
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But I do have one significant concern about the direction the quantum<br>
configuration has taken. My understanding is that with this patch,<br>
neither the quantum-server nor the agents are intended to load the<br>
plugin-specific .ini file unless a second --config-file option<br>
referencing it is passed in the command line. Unless I am missing<br>
something, this means that the quantum-server command line will now need<br>
to be plugin-specific in order for the plugin-specific .ini file to be<br>
loaded. Although this can be handled in devstack, it seems to be<br>
problematic for downstream systemd/init/upstart scripts which should<br>
generally not require customization once they are installed.<br>
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I'm not very familiar with the common config mechanisms yet, but would<br>
it be possible for both the quantum-server/plugin and the agent to<br>
automatically load their .ini file(s), to have the quantum.conf file<br>
somehow include the .ini file(s), or to have a variable in quantum.conf<br>
specify which plugin-specific .ini file(s) need(s) to be loaded? This<br>
way, the quantum-server command line in the systemd/init/upstart scripts<br>
would only need to reference quantum.conf, and would not need to be<br>
customized based on which plugin is chosen.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jumping into this thread late, so please ignore this if the ideas I'm suggesting have already been considered and rejected. Bob, I tend to share your viewpoint on this. I do think its nice to be able to specify a particular config file
for the plugin (currently, this is impossible, the plugin will just search a set of paths), however, I wonder if this could be achieved either by putting all plugin config into separate sections of the quantum.conf, or by having an entry of quantum.conf point
to plugin config in some way. <o:p></o:p></p>
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-Bob<o:p></o:p></p>
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> Thanks<br>
> Gary<br>
><br>
> On 07/24/2012 08:15 PM, Gary Kotton wrote:<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>> Please see my inline below.<br>
>> Thanks<br>
>> Gary<br>
>><br>
>> On 07/24/2012 07:47 PM, Salvatore Orlando wrote:<br>
>>> I +1 what Mark and Gary agreed on the IRC.<br>
>>> That's exactly what I meant by 'namespaces' on yesterday's meeting.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers,<br>
>>> Salvatore<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 24 July 2012 16:30, Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat) <<a href="mailto:snaiksat@cisco.com">snaiksat@cisco.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:snaiksat@cisco.com">snaiksat@cisco.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Gary,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Are you asking this just in the context of the RPC related<br>
>>> configurations, or also for moving all the existing configuration<br>
>>> from the plugin-specific configuration files (the ones under<br>
>>> etc/quantum/plugins) to a single configuration file?<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> The RPC was the motivation for this. This is information that is<br>
>> required by both the agents and the plugins. In addition to this due<br>
>> to the fact that is is from the openstack-common (which used the<br>
>> global cfg.CONF) complicates things.<br>
>><br>
>> There is still the option to use multiple files with input like:<br>
>> --config-file=/etc/quantum.conf --config-file=/etc/quantum/quantum.conf --config-dir=/etc/quantum/plugins.d<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>> Gary<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Moving plugin-independent common configuration to a common file<br>
>>> makes sense to me (including the agent and/or RPC related<br>
>>> configurations as discussed in the IRC meeting yesterday).<br>
>>> However, I am not in favor of moving all plugin-specific<br>
>>> configurations to a single/common file.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>><br>
>>> ~Sumit.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> *From:*Gary Kotton [mailto:<a href="mailto:gkotton@redhat.com">gkotton@redhat.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gkotton@redhat.com">gkotton@redhat.com</a>>]<br>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:03 AM<br>
>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Quantum] Agents and configuration<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> files<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>> Can people please raise their concerns about moving all of the<br>
>>> plugin.ini files into quantum.conf.<br>
>>> This will solve us a number of problems. Please let me know if<br>
>>> you have any reservations.<br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>> Gary<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 07/24/2012 09:17 AM, Gary Kotton wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> *Background*: The quantum service makes use of the configuration<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> file quantum.conf. In addition to this there is a common<br>
>>> configuration file shared between the plugin and the agent<br>
>>> (plugin.ini). The aforementioned files are loaded by the common<br>
>>> configuration files.<br>
>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> *Current developments*: A number of current developments, for<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> example notifications (<a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9835/" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9835/</a>)<br>
>>> and scalable agents (<a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9591/" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9591/</a>)<br>
>>> require RPC configurations.<br>
>>><br>
>>> From the discussion last night the community the consensus is to<br>
>>> have the common configuration items that may be relevant to one<br>
>>> or more agent/plugin in the quantum configuration file. This<br>
>>> change will require the agents to also load the quantum.conf<br>
>>> configuration files.<br>
>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> *Open issues*:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 1. I do not think that the common configuration supports mapping<br>
>>> of name spaces to configuration files.<br>
>>> 2. Configuration file loading. With the plugins the configuration<br>
>>> files are loaded in two stages. If possible it would be great<br>
>>> that the files could be loaded at once - this can be done by<br>
>>> listing the plugin/agent ini file(s) in the quantum.conf. When<br>
>>> this is loaded then the other files will be loaded.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Please let me know if you have any comments or objections. I<br>
>>> would like to move ahead and start to work on this.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>> Gary<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>><br>
>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list<br>
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