[openstack-dev] [tc][all] A culture change (nitpicking)

Davanum Srinivas davanum at gmail.com
Wed May 30 21:50:11 UTC 2018

Please see below:

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Chris Dent <cdent+os at anticdent.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2018, Julia Kreger wrote:
>> I don't feel like anyone is proposing to end the use of -1's, but that
>> we should generally be encouraging, accepting, and trusting.
> Being encouraging, accepting, and trusting is the outcome I'd like
> to see from this process. Being less nitpicking is a behavior or
> process change. Adjusting attitudes (in some environments lightly,
> in others more) so that we (where "we" is regulars in the projects,
> experienced reviewers, and cores) perceive patches as something to
> be grateful for and shepherded instead of an intrusion or obligation
> would be a significant and beneficial culture change.
> A perhaps more straightforward way to put it is: When someone (even
> one of "us") submits a patch they are doing us (the same "we" as
> above) a favor and we owe them not just a cordial and supportive
> response, but one with some continuity.
> Like many, I'm guilty of letting a false or inflated sense of urgency
> get the better of me and being an ass in some reviews. Sorry about
> that.
> A cultural shift in this area will improve things for all of us.
> Nitpicking is symptomatic of an attitude, one we can change, not the
> disease itself.
>> We also need to be mindful
>> of context as well, and in the grand scheme not try for something
>> perfect as many often do. This *does* mean we land something that
>> needs to be fixed later or reverted later, but neither are things we
>> should fear. We can't let that fear control us.

Let me poke at this a bit. Some of the projects do say (not in so many words):

"master should be always deployable and fully backward compatible and
so we cant let anything in anytime that could possibly regress anyone"

Should we change that attitude too? Anyone agree? disagree?


> Yes, very much yes.
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