[openstack-dev] [tc][all] A culture change (nitpicking)

Dmitry Tantsur dtantsur at redhat.com
Wed May 30 14:16:23 UTC 2018

On 05/30/2018 03:54 PM, Julia Kreger wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Zane Bitter <zbitter at redhat.com> wrote:
> [trim]
>> Since I am replying to this thread, Julia also mentioned the situation where
>> two core reviewers are asking for opposite changes to a patch. It is never
>> ever ever the contributor's responsibility to resolve a dispute between two
>> core reviewers! If you see a core reviewer's advice on a patch and you want
>> to give the opposite advice, by all means take it up immediately - with *the
>> other core reviewer*. NOT the submitter. Preferably on IRC and not in the
>> review. You work together every day, you can figure it out! A random
>> contributor has no chance of parachuting into the middle of that dynamic and
>> walking out unscathed, and they should never be asked to.
> Absolutely agree! In the case that was in mind where it has happened
> to me personally, I think it was 10-15 revisions apart, so it becomes
> a little hard to identify when your starting to play the game of "make
> the cores happy to land it". It is not a fun game for the contributor.
> Truthfully it caused me to add the behavior of intentionally waiting
> longer between uploads of new revisions... which does not help at all.
> The other conundrum is when you disagree and the person has left a -1
> which blocks forward progress and any additional reviews since it gets
> viewed as "not ready", which makes it even harder and slower to build
> consensus. At some point you get into "Oh, what formatting can I
> change to clear that -1 because the person is not responding" mode.

This, by the way, is a much broader and interesting question. In case of a 
by-passer leaving a comment ("this link must be https") and disappearing, the 
PTL or any core can remove the reviewer from the review. What to do with a core 
leaving a comment or non-core leaving a potentially useful comment and going to PTO?

> At least beginning to shift the review culture should help many of these issues.
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