[openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

Thierry Carrez thierry at openstack.org
Thu Mar 8 17:27:58 UTC 2018

Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> The PTG has always been about taking the team discussions that happened
>> at the Ops Summit / Design Summit to have them in a more productive
>> environment.
> I am just going to say it but can we *please* stop distinguishing
> between ops and devs (a ops summit, like why); the fact that these
> emails even continue to have the word op or dev or ops communicate with
> devs and then devs go do something that may work (hint this kind of
> feedback loop is wrong) for ops pisses me off. The world has moved
> beyond this kind of separation and openstack needs to as well... IMHO
> projects that still rely on this kind of interaction are dead in the
> water. If you aren't as a developer at least trying to operate even a
> small openstack cloud (even a personal one) then you really shouldn't be
> continuing as a developer in openstack...

I totally agree with you. Did you read my email until the end ? See:

>> [...]
>> Oh, and in the above paragraphs, I'm not distinguishing "devs" from
>> "ops". This applies to all teams, to any contributor engaged in making
>> OpenStack a reality. Having the Public Cloud WG team meet at the PTG was
>> great, and we should definitely have ANY OpenStack team wanting to meet
>> and get things done at future PTGs.
My mention above of "Ops Summit" / "Design Summit" was pointing to the
old names of the events, which "Forum" and "PTG" were specifically
designed to replace, avoiding the unnecessary split.

Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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