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> On 2017. Sep 23., at 9:11, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:
> 
> Excerpts from Huang Zhiteng's message of 2017-09-23 10:00:00 +0800:
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Zhipeng Huang <zhipengh512 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately I know better on this matter and it is not the matter of topic
>>> dispute as many people on this thread who has been disturbed and annoyed by
>>> the padding/trolling.
>>> 
>>> So yes I'm sticking with stupid because it hurts the OpenStack community as
>>> a whole and hurts the reputation of the dev community from my country which
>>> in large are great people with good hearts and skills.
>>> 
>>> I'm not giving even an inch of the benefit of doubt to these padding
>>> activities and people behind it.
>> Hi Zhipeng,
>> 
>> Not sure how much you have been involved in the dev community in
>> China, but it's now a good time to talk to those companies (in public
>> or private) and ask them to stop encourage their developers to submit
>> such changes.
> 
> I would prefer to set up a system where we can have those sorts of
> conversations in private, to encourage people to contribute
> constructively instead of shaming them.
> 
> Doug

+1, I completely agree.

In my earlier experience with this the main reason for this behavior to happen is the lack of experience with the tools and the open source environment and ways of working. As we are working with people all around the globe we also need to take into consideration the different cultures and how they communicate and handle situations like this.

We should put emphasis on remaining an open, friendly and diverse community by providing education and help to those people who need it the best way we can. And this should include not assuming the worse before we actually know why things happened and not publicly shaming people, but to provide mentorship.

I think this is extremely important, and I’m happy to be a ‘go to person’ and help people understand how these systems work and what is the best way to join an open source community like OpenStack in case you need more people to get involved in communicating our principles.

Thanks,
Ildikó
IRC: ildikov


> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Paul Belanger <pabelanger at redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:26:09AM +0800, Zhipeng Huang wrote:
>>>>> Let's not forget the epic fail earlier on the "contribution.rst fix"
>>>>> that
>>>>> almost melt down the community CI system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For any companies that are doing what Matt mentioned, please be aware
>>>>> that
>>>>> the dev community of the country you belong to is getting hurt by your
>>>>> stupid activity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stop patch trolling and doing something meaningful.
>>>>> 
>>>> Sorry, but I found this comment over the line. Just because you disagree
>>>> with
>>>> the $topic at hand, doesn't mean you should default to calling it
>>>> 'stupid'. Give
>>>> somebody the benefit of not knowing any better.
>>>> 
>>>> This is not a good example of encouraging anybody to contribute to the
>>>> project.
>>>> 
>>>> -Paul
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Matt Riedemann <mriedemos at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just wanted to highlight to people that there seems to be a series
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> garbage patches in various projects [1] which are basically doing
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> like fixing a single typo in a code comment, or very narrowly changing
>>>>>> http
>>>>>> to https in links within docs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also +1ing ones own changes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been trying to snuff these out in nova, but I see it's basically
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> pattern widespread across several projects.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is the boilerplate comment I give with my -1, feel free to employ
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sorry but this isn't really a useful change. Fixing typos in code
>>>>>> comments when the context is still clear doesn't really help us, and
>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>> seems like looking for padding stats on stackalytics. It's also a
>>>>>> drain on
>>>>>> our CI environment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you fixed all of the typos in a single module, or in user-facing
>>>>>> documentation, or error messages, or something in the logs, or
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> that actually doesn't make sense in code comments, then maybe, but
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> isn't one of those things."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but this is annoying to the point I
>>>>>> felt
>>>>>> the need to say something publicly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/author:%255E.*inspur.*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Zhipeng (Howard) Huang
>>>>> 
>>>>> Standard Engineer
>>>>> IT Standard & Patent/IT Product Line
>>>>> Huawei Technologies Co,. Ltd
>>>>> Email: huangzhipeng at huawei.com
>>>>> Office: Huawei Industrial Base, Longgang, Shenzhen
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Standard Engineer
>>> IT Standard & Patent/IT Product Line
>>> Huawei Technologies Co,. Ltd
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>>> Office: Huawei Industrial Base, Longgang, Shenzhen
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