[openstack-dev] [manila] PTG involvement

Rodrigo Barbieri rodrigo.barbieri2010 at gmail.com
Wed May 17 17:44:10 UTC 2017

Hello Ben,

That was a great summary of our choices. I believe it is worth mentioning
that the Summit in Sydney will be only 3 days long, so it most likely be a
very tight schedule for some of the participants if we plan to do face to
face discussions there, as there will be a lot going on during the Summit.

This strengthens your argument that Sydney will be an outlier. So maybe we
could consider #1 one more time, and #2 for Vancouver.


On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Ben Swartzlander <ben at swartzlander.org>

> As I've mentioned in past meetings, the Manila community needs to decide
> whether the OpenStack PTG is a venue we want to take advantage of in the
> future. In particular, there's a deadline to declare our plans for the
> Denver PTG in September by the end of the week.
> Personally I'm conflicted because there are pros and cons either way, but
> having attended the Summit in Boston last week, I think I have all the
> information needed to form my own opinion and I'd really like to hear from
> the rest of you at the weekly meeting tomorrow.
> I believe our choice breaks down into 2 broad categories:
> 1) Continue to be involved with PTG. In this case we would need to lobby
> the foundation organizers to reduce the kinds of scheduling conflicts that
> made the Atlanta PTG so problematic for our team.
> 2) Drop out of PTG and plan a virtual PTG just for Manila a few weeks
> before or after the official PTG. In this case we would encourage team
> members to get together at the summits for face to face discussions.
> Pros for (1):
> * This is clearly what the foundation wants
> * For US-based developers it would save money compared to (2)
> * It ensures that timezone issues don't prevent participation in
> discussions
> Cons for (1):
> * We'd have to fight with cross project sessions and other project
> sessions (notably Cinder) for time slots to meet. Very likely it will be
> impossible to participate in all 3 tracks, which some of us currently try
> to do.
> * Some developers won't get budget for travel because it's not the kind of
> conference where there are customers and salespeople (and thus lots of
> spare money).
> Pros for (2):
> * Virtual meetups have worked out well for us in the past, and they save
> money.
> * It allows us to easily avoid any scheduling conflicts with other tracks.
> * It avoids exhaustion at the PTG itself where trying to participate in 3
> tracks would probably mean no downtime.
> * It's pretty easy to get budget to travel to summits because there are
> customers and salespeople, so face to face time could be preserved by
> hanging out in hacking rooms and using forum sessions.
> Cons for (2):
> * Virtual meetups always cause problems for about 1/3 of the world's
> timezones. In the past this has meant west coast USA, and Asia/Pacific have
> been greatly inconvenienced because most participants where east coast USA
> and Europe based.
> * Less chance for cross pollination to occur at PTG where people from
> other projects drop in.
> Based on the pros/cons I personally lean towards (2), but I look forward
> to hearing from the community.
> There is one more complication affecting this decision, which is that the
> very next summit is planned for Sydney, which is uniquely far away and
> expensive to travel to (for most of the core team). For that summit only, I
> expect the argument that it's easier to travel to summits than PTGs to be
> less true, because Sydney might be simply too expensive or time consuming
> for some of us. In the long run though I expect Sydney to be an outlier and
> most summits will be relatively cheap/easy to travel to.
> -Ben Swartzlander
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Rodrigo Barbieri
MSc Computer Scientist
OpenStack Manila Core Contributor
Federal University of São Carlos
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