[openstack-dev] [tc] [all] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

Octave J. Orgeron octave.orgeron at oracle.com
Fri May 5 21:52:41 UTC 2017


On 5/5/2017 3:46 PM, Alex Schultz wrote:
>> Sooo... I always get a little triggered when I hear that OpenStack is
>> hard to deploy. We've spent last few years fixing it and I think it's
>> pretty well fixed now. Even as we speak I'm deploying 500+ vms on
>> OpenStack cluster I deployed last week within one day.
> No, you've written a complex tool (that you understand) to do it.
> That's not the same someone who is not familiar with OpenStack trying
> to deploy OpenStack. I too could quickly deploy a decently scaled
> infrastructure with some of the tools (fuel/tripleo/puppet/etc), but
> the reality is that each one of these tools is inherently hiding the
> complexities of OpenStack.  Each (including yours) has their own
> flavor of assumptions baked in to make it work.  That is also
> confusing for the end user who tries to switch between them and only
> gets some of the flexibility of each but then runs face first into
> each tool's short comings.  Rather than assuming a tool has solved it
> (which it hasn't or we'd all be using the same one by now), how about
> we take some time to understand why we've had to write these tools in
> the first place and see if there's something we improve on?  Learning
> the tool to deploy OpenStack is not the same as deploying OpenStack,
> managing it, and turning it around for the true cloud end user to
> consume.

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