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Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2017-03-10 01:22:40 +0900:
> Doug Hellmann wrote on 3/9/2017 9:24 PM:
> > Excerpts from Sean McGinnis's message of 2017-03-07 07:17:09 -0600:
> >> On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:06:18AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
> >>> On 03/06/2017 08:43 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> >>>> On 2017-03-06 14:03, Sean Dague  wrote:
> >>>>> I'm trying to understand the implications of
> >>>>> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439500. And the comment in the linked
> >>>>> email:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ">> Yes, we decided some time ago to not translate the log files anymore and
> >>>>>>> thus our tools do not handle them anymore - and in general, we remove
> >>>>>>> these kind of files."
> >>>>> Does that mean that all the _LE, _LI, _LW stuff in projects should be
> >>>>> fully removed? Nova currently enforces those things are there -
> >>>>> https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/e88dd0034b1b135d680dae3494597e295add9cfe/nova/hacking/checks.py#L314-L333
> >>>>> and want to make sure our tools aren't making us do work that the i18n
> >>>>> team is ignoring and throwing away.
> >> So... just looking for a definitive statement on this since there has
> >> been some back and forth discussion.
> >>
> >> Is it correct to say - all projects may (should?) now remove all bits in
> >> place for using and enforcing the _Lx() translation markers. Only _()
> >> should be used for user visible error messages.
> >>
> >> Sean (smcginnis)
> >>
> > The situation is still not quite clear to me, and it would be
> > unfortunate to undo too much of the translation support work because
> > it will be hard to redo it.
> >
> > Is there documentation somewhere describing what the i18n team has
> > committed to trying to translate?
> 
> I18n team describes translation plan and priority in Zanata - 
> translation platform
>   : https://translate.openstack.org/ .
> 
> >   I think I heard that there was a
> > shift in emphasis to "user interfaces", but I'm not sure if that
> > includes error messages in services. Should we remove all use of
> > oslo.i18n from services? Or only when dealing with logs?
> 
> When I18n team decided to removal of log translations in Barcelona last 
> October, there had been no
> discussion on the removal of oslo.i18n translation support for log messages.
> (I have kept track of what I18n team discussed during Barcelona I18n 
> meetup on Etherpad - [1])
> 
> Now I think that the final decision of oslo.i18n log translation support 
> needs more involvement
> with translators considering oslo.i18n translation support, and also 
> more people on community wide including
> project working groups, user committee, and operators as Matt suggested.
> 
> If translating log messages is meaningful to some community members and 
> some translators show interests
> on translating log messages, then I18n team can revert the policy with 
> rolling back of translations.
> Translated strings are still alive in not only previous stable branches, 
> but also in translation memory in Zanata - translation platform.
> 
> I would like to find some ways to discuss this topic with more community 
> wide.

I would suggest that we discuss this at the Forum in Boston, but I think
we need to gather some input before then because if there is a consensus
that log translations are not useful we can allow the code cleanup to
occur and not take up face-to-face time.

Doug

> 
> 
> With many thanks,
> 
> /Ian
> 
> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-i18n-meetup
> 
> >
> > Doug
> >
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