Open Stack

An [official] OpenStack project is also a hosted project by OpenStack
[infra].

I agree that "OpenStack-Hosted projects" is not very distinct from
"OpenStack projects". Furthermore the "hosted" part is not unique to either
category.

I don't have an immediate suggestion for an alternative, but I might give
it some thought.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Shake Chen <shake.chen at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> +1000
> very clearly.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/15/2017 11:56 AM, Neil Jerram wrote:
>>
>>> Just an immediate reaction: to me "OpenStack-Hosted projects" is not
>>> very distinct from "OpenStack projects".  So with that terminology I think
>>> there will still be confusion (perhaps more).
>>>
>>
>> This was my reaction as well. For people who misunderstood official vs
>> unofficial, this is going to pose an even bigger challenge, I'm afraid.
>>
>>
>>> (Or did I misunderstand your new proposal?)
>>>
>>> Regards - Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:16 AM Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org
>>> <mailto:thierry at openstack.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>     Back in 2014, OpenStack was facing a problem. Our project structure,
>>>     inherited from days where Nova, Swift and friends were the only game
>>> in
>>>     town, was not working anymore. The "integrated release" that we
>>> ended up
>>>     producing was not really integrated, already too big to be installed
>>> by
>>>     everyone, and yet too small to accommodate the growing interest in
>>> other
>>>     forms of "open infrastructure". The incubation process (from
>>> stackforge
>>>     to incubated, from incubated to integrated) created catch-22s that
>>>     prevented projects from gathering enough interest to reach the upper
>>>     layers. Something had to give.
>>>
>>>     The project structure reform[1] that resulted from those discussions
>>>     switched to a simpler model: project teams would be approved based on
>>>     how well they fit the OpenStack overall mission and community
>>>     principles, rather than based on a degree of maturity. It was
>>> nicknamed
>>>     "the big tent" based on a blogpost[2] that Monty wrote -- mostly
>>>     explaining that things produced by the OpenStack community should be
>>>     considered OpenStack projects.
>>>
>>>     So the reform removed the concept of incubated vs. integrated, in
>>> favor
>>>     of a single "official" category. Tags[3] were introduced to better
>>>     describe the degree of maturity of the various official things.
>>> "Being
>>>     part of the big tent" was synonymous to "being an official project"
>>> (but
>>>     people kept saying the former).
>>>
>>>     At around the same time, mostly for technical reasons around the
>>>     difficulty of renaming git repositories, the "stackforge/" git
>>>     repository prefix was discontinued (all projects hosted on OpenStack
>>>     infrastructure would be created under an "openstack/" git repository
>>>     prefix).
>>>
>>>     All those events combined, though, sent a mixed message, which we are
>>>     still struggling with today. "Big tent" has a flea market
>>> connotation of
>>>     "everyone can come in". Combined with the fact that all git
>>> repositories
>>>     are under the same prefix, it created a lot of confusion. Some people
>>>     even think the big tent is the openstack/ namespace, not the list of
>>>     official projects. We tried to stop using the "big tent" meme, but (I
>>>     blame Monty), the name is still sticking. I think it's time to more
>>>     aggressively get rid of it. We tried using "unofficial" and
>>> "official"
>>>     terminology, but that did not stick either.
>>>
>>>     I'd like to propose that we introduce a new concept:
>>> "OpenStack-Hosted
>>>     projects". There would be "OpenStack projects" on one side, and
>>>     "Projects hosted on OpenStack infrastructure" on the other side (all
>>>     still under the openstack/ git repo prefix). We'll stop saying
>>> "official
>>>     OpenStack project" and "unofficial OpenStack project". The only
>>>     "OpenStack projects" will be the official ones. We'll chase down the
>>>     last mentions of "big tent" in documentation and remove it from our
>>>     vocabulary.
>>>
>>>     I think this new wording (replacing what was previously Stackforge,
>>>     replacing what was previously called "unofficial OpenStack projects")
>>>     will bring some clarity as to what is OpenStack and what is beyond
>>> it.
>>>
>>>     Thoughts ?
>>>
>>>     [1]
>>>     https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20141202-pro
>>> ject-structure-reform-spec.html
>>>     [2] http://inaugust.com/posts/big-tent.html
>>>     [3] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/index.html
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Thierry Carrez (ttx)
>>>
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